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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
53. "... and always have been."
Wed May 30, 2018, 05:21 PM
May 2018

Bullshit.

Here's a blurb from the obit of Chuck Whalen, who was my Congressman from 1966 to 1978:

Mr. Whalen had served in both houses of the Ohio General Assembly before he won election to the U.S. House in 1966 as a representative from a district centered on Dayton, a largely middle-class factory town. During his 12 years in office, he built a reputation as one of the most liberal Republicans in the House.

He served on the Committee on International Relations (now Foreign Affairs) but was perhaps best-known for his years as the most vocal Republican dove on the Armed Services Committee. He was one of the panel’s “Fearless Five,” known for raising the ire of Chairman Mendel Rivers (D-S.C.) for insisting on scrutiny of military spending requests.

Mr. Whalen also co-sponsored several Vietnam troop-withdrawal bills and the unsuccessful 1971 Nedzi-Whalen amendment, which would have cut off military spending for weapons.

He was an early and outspoken proponent of ending military conscription in the United States. In 1967, he and four other members of the Wednesday Group — an informal group of liberal and moderate House Republicans — wrote a report describing how the country could successfully build an all-volunteer Army within five years.

I could name hundreds of others, and plenty of knuckle-dragging Democrats as well.
The problem is that today's centrists... the few that are around... are yesterday's far right. lapfog_1 May 2018 #1
I don't think that's true. They would have been more on the right in the past, pnwmom May 2018 #11
I don't think that's true at all. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #12
"fiscally for-the-rich and pro-business, etc. " disillusioned73 May 2018 #22
The Republicans have always been this way, in my memory. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #23
+1 PDittie May 2018 #37
A lot of people are at the point where they want to burn shit down. Blue_true May 2018 #2
Could you provide a list of demagogues on the left? DURHAM D May 2018 #3
Not a fan of getting my posts hidden--so no blake2012 May 2018 #4
I don't believe such a list would be hidden so DURHAM D May 2018 #5
I do. And I had a post hidden for just such a statement blake2012 May 2018 #6
Yesterdays Radical Left is todays centrism Yesterdays centrism is today's Radical Right LostOne4Ever May 2018 #7
By their very definition, moderates are slower adopters of change than radicals blake2012 May 2018 #9
Completely disagree with.. Kentonio May 2018 #31
Centrist are to slow in recognnizing extremes standingtall May 2018 #8
Broad brush, much? blake2012 May 2018 #10
To the contrary, I think they're the first to notice. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #13
Im a Democrat angrychair May 2018 #14
No. If deals were to be made, it is with moderates on the other side of the aisle blake2012 May 2018 #17
Disagree PDittie May 2018 #39
I very clearly did not give the farther left in Dem caucus the false equivalence blake2012 May 2018 #42
Disagree PDittie May 2018 #47
Ugghh. If that's what you want to hang your hat on blake2012 May 2018 #54
One person's radical is another person's reasonable. Garrett78 May 2018 #63
The gesture is admirable angrychair May 2018 #45
Agree. Well said. PDittie May 2018 #48
"... and always have been." OilemFirchen May 2018 #53
There is one-offs in everything angrychair May 2018 #57
And Eisenhower spoke out against the military industrial complex. Garrett78 May 2018 #64
Things get worse because the dominant narrative is absurd. Garrett78 May 2018 #59
+10000000000000. N/T angrychair May 2018 #66
This cartoon sums up what compromise has looked like over the last several decades: Garrett78 May 2018 #62
I truly think that part of the problem is that the Internet tends to keep the two sides from talking Stonepounder May 2018 #15
Perfect illustration and I agree about not only the internet but our overly curated lives blake2012 May 2018 #18
the problem with centrism is that it exists between the left and wherever the fuck the right decides JCanete May 2018 #16
Agreed. Which is why MLK said the arc of history is long but bends toward justicd blake2012 May 2018 #20
... demmiblue May 2018 #24
I love this.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #26
I know (she is a cartoonist from Australia). demmiblue May 2018 #29
See post #59. Garrett78 May 2018 #60
The problem with "centrism".. disillusioned73 May 2018 #19
My values have gotten more liberal since the 80's and others have too. Key policy areas show blake2012 May 2018 #21
I agree.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #25
+1. Some of us have started to recognize this skewing... ck4829 May 2018 #27
Yup.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #28
A pretty apt description ck4829 May 2018 #33
No, I don't like insidious fake-disillusionment messages. Hortensis May 2018 #34
There is nothing "fake" about it.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #35
Particularly vulnerable for 2 decades, targeted for 2 decades. Hortensis May 2018 #36
Vulnerable, no.. targeted, only after opening my eyes.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #38
Wouldn't criticizing our use of power be more satisfying Hortensis May 2018 #40
I never said "don't bother voting".. disillusioned73 May 2018 #49
So, you're going to vote and talk 3 others out of it? Hortensis May 2018 #50
I have no nefarious hidden agenda.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #51
Of course you don't. That's actually part of the point. Hortensis May 2018 #52
This blake2012 May 2018 #43
Of course. This is evil-right's noise as they figh for existence. Hortensis May 2018 #30
This would suggest centrism represents a true center. It doesn't. Kentonio May 2018 #32
Prolonged massive economic disparity is the greatest threat to Democracy Uncle Joe May 2018 #41
You're welcome and I agree with your post blake2012 May 2018 #44
Well I disagree with your post of equivalence, being mad and getting mad are two different things Uncle Joe May 2018 #46
Almost all our problems are caused by the religious takeover of the republicans GulfCoast66 May 2018 #55
Here's a flash-card reference point: OilemFirchen May 2018 #56
Well put. I agree blake2012 May 2018 #58
The issue with capitalism is it's rooted in the principle of neverending growth on a finite planet. Garrett78 May 2018 #61
Just got back from a trip to Berlin. Lots of history there of one scenario of when the center fails pampango May 2018 #65
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