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billh58

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3. Article II, Section 2

Reply to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Thu Jun 7, 2018, 11:28 AM

Jun 2018

Section 2

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/?_escaped_fragment_=/articles/2/essays/89/pardon-power

It appears that if he is impeached, he can not pardon himself.

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"in Cases of Impeachment...the Party convicted shall nevertheless be ...subject to Indictment [View all] lagomorph777 Jun 2018 OP

It says the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #1

That's not what the clause means. Adrahil Jun 2018 #5

Exactly, thank you! lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #10

that's the weak argument they're making. it doesn't really imply that, it leaves it open. unblock Jun 2018 #7

It can be read differently, which is why it is a matter of such controversy. tritsofme Jun 2018 #2

I could read it in Klingon or Elvish; that doesn't change what it clearly says. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #11

Well, all it clearly says is that the only restriction is that a pardon cannot apppy to impeachment tritsofme Jun 2018 #17

My OP is not about pardons at all. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #18

Then I misunderstood. tritsofme Jun 2018 #19

Bizarrely, it is indeed a matter of controversy. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #20

You and Stephen Colbert, saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #26

Article II, Section 2 billh58 Jun 2018 #3

Another interpretation is that the president cannot pardon any party involved in an impeachment case FreepFryer Jun 2018 #4

People forget that many officials are subject to impeachment, not just the President. Adrahil Jun 2018 #6

He also can't pardon anybody else being impeached. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #12

Including Gorsuch. duforsure Jun 2018 #8

ah, yes, the usurping, installed stooge bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #9

We'll be nice. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #13

Good luck proving that there was anything "illegal" about the confirmation of Gorsuch onenote Jun 2018 #14

You've hit the nail on the head bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #15

I don't think you can impeach him legally. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #16

Right; impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #22

I don't think it is possible. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #25

Mathematically, I agree, unfortunately. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #27

not clear scipan Jun 2018 #21

I'm aware of the infamous DOJ memo, lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #24

please let him be gone bdamomma Jun 2018 #23