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In reply to the discussion: Do you want Bernie supporters to vote for Democrats in November? [View all]R B Garr
(16,950 posts)don't have to be completed to know what they are about. Don't worry, though, you are not the first one to completely overlook the facts we have right in front of us in favor of theorizing everything away to justify some really nasty and over the top propaganda about our candidate. Probably lots of people would like do-overs, including James Comey types -- remember it was fairly well believed that Hillary would win . But that doesn't mean that you can look at some sentence from some old polls or 2008 analysis and pretend it has anything to do with the 2016 assault that Hillary endured and which gave us Trump.
Here's just one example from the Mueller indictments: (ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS) from the link
Illegal campaign contributions
The special counsel is using the Federal Election Campaign Act, which prohibits foreign nationals from "making any contributions, expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements for electioneering communications," the indictment said.
You should read the Mueller indictments. Then you will see that it is about way more than just some Russian troll factories. Just the fact that you don't know how much they micro-targeted individuals in certain states with Hillary-hate propaganda is enough to see you are really deflecting here. Of course Sanders vicious attacks were noticeable enough that the Russians wanted to help him continue maligning Hillary. Just because you type a sentence that you don't think it hurt her -- we have FACTS now that show that they did. Also, who cares about 2008. Trying to claim it doesn't matter what Sanders did because Hillary 2008 is just absurd at this point. We KNOW from the Russia indictments what was picked up as beneficial to the plan to turn people away from Hillary. The Russians helped Sanders, Stein, and Trump to harm Hillary - FACT.
I notice you never mention the Bernie or Busters (an exactly named group) who committed to withholding votes since he wasn't on the ballot. We can certainly add those in the group that the Russians targeted to hurt Hillary. They didn't vote, so of course that adds up. It's absurd to pretend this was a normal election and you can apply retro analysis to gloss over the abuse Hillary endured.
We KNOW the margin of error(s) in the states and the culprits. No need to go door-to-door and ask people just to post here, but we do know what was done to harm our candidate. At some point, it would be interesting to show some concern about the most concerning thing right in front of us -- not try and back pedal and fight yet another reason (2008) to justify the unnecessary attacks on Hillary. Let's stick with the facts.
INDICTMENT: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/
"The Russians engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump, according to the indictment, which was issued Friday."