Yes, the Democratic Party is at nearly its weakest point in a century

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59. Let me say that in 2008 we had it all...but by 10 those who should have had our backs were

whining because it was not possible to get single payer...many 'sent a 'message vote', and Pres. Obama spent six years playing defense as a result. Sadly, the 'message voters' turned their anger on down ballot candidates as well...we lost governorships and legislatures...thus we ended up with a computerized gerrymander...we would have had the House back in 12 had there been no gerrymander...in 14 the whining of those who were 'disappointed' with Pres. Obama reached a fever pitch, and we lost the Senate...which gave us Gorsuch in the end. So some say look look the Democratic Party needs to do xyz...fill in the blank in order to 'win' elections. But, that just isn't true. There is no one size fits all ideology for the Democratic Party; a look at the Senate will confirm that we must have a big tent party to hold power.

There is a party loyalty problem and until Democrats and so called progressives (left left greens in my opinion) who for some unknown reason think splitting the party in two and demanding a certain ideology will somehow help us defeat Republicans understand that you have to vote for those in your party and not nitpick and denounce Democrats. This is how we lose and there isn't a damn bit of ideology that can save us because it is not about ideology. It is about party loyalty. Any Democrats is better than any Republican if for no other reason that they count towards a majority (although most Democrats are pretty great in my opinion).

Today we watch children ripped from the arms of their parents. This is the worst thing I have ever seen. I weep for the children and parents...and I feel a deep hatred for Trump and Republicans . This is their policy. They own it. But they would not making policy had Stein, Turner, Young Turks ET AL fully supported the Democratic nominee.Those who caused the problem cry the loudest now, and my inclination is to say this 'sit down and shut the hell up'. I see no evidence in special elections or in primaries that going back to Roosevelt's policy who was dead before most of us were born would accomplish anything but more losing...we need to march into the future with new ideas and solutions. And if we want to save out democracy, we need to bury the Republicans in the next two elections or those who caused this mess can sit in their ivory towers (if they can keep them) and debate policy endlessly with no ability to enact anything and watch as Republicans destroy this country.

These words are not directed at you...but at those who helped the Republicans attain office by not voting , voting for Stein, writing in any candidate or voting for Trump. Also, those who spent endless hours trashing Hillary Clinton on social media and drove God knows how many voters away from our nominee and then only grudgingly voted for her are not much better. 2016 was as my son would say 'a shit show'...so let's do better in 18 and 20. I know we can...we couldn't do much worse.