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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. Hmmmm
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 09:16 PM
Jun 2018

Things like

It is universally agreed
All of the electronic vote counting in the United States is done by machines owned by right wing individuals.
Meaningful oversight of our elections is practically non-existent


are not facts they are opinions and hyperbolic at that.

So if, as you state, quote election theft has occurred on a massive basis in the United States since 2004, in elections at the Presidential, Senate, House and gubernatorial levels. The election theft always points in the same direction – favoring the more right-wing candidate.
unquote then how do you explain the election and re election of President Obama?


Now, for an actual fact. Elections are managed at the local level with oversight by both Democratic and Republican volunteers working at the precinct level. That operation is supervised by Secretary of State offices that include Democratic office holders and employees that are Democrats.

For example, for their to have been a fraud in this election votes one of the states would have to have been Pennsylvania.

The Secretary of State for Pennsylvania is a bright star in the Democratic Party Pedro Cortes. If you believe the "facts" in the OP then you would have to assume that Secretary of State Cortes is part of the conspiracy (or terribly inept)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Cort%C3%A9s Of course Democratic Governor Tom Wolf would also have to be involved.


1) There is a very simple solution to potential election fraud: have paper ballots back up and maintain a transparent custody of ballots that includes volunteers from both parties.

2) Have a US Attorney General that enforces the laws to make access to ballots more universal and voter friendly



You spent a lot of effort shooting at targets but IMO you were aiming at the wrong target. The real "voter fraud" is not in manipulating votes but in making the act of registering and voting more difficult.

Took a look at your source.

It has been well established that efforts by Putin had a decisive impact on voter outcome and that has been confirmed by all of the intelligence services.

I absolutely scoured your source for negative stories about Russian interference. Couldn't find any.

Here is what I did find:

Video Honoring Snowden:

https://worldnewstrust.biz/Francis-Goodwin/There-s-a-Massive-Illicit-Bust-of-Edward-Snowden-Stuck-to-a-War-Monument-in-Brooklyn

Video from RT explaining how Putin's approach in Syria is better than that of President Obama


https://worldnewstrust.biz/Francis-Goodwin/RT-interviews-Paul-Craig-Roberts


Here is my three point plan to solve election fraud and election interference

1) Paper ballots (can use readers to count as long as you have a paper ballot) under control of local committees with both Republican and Democratic volunteers.

2) Elect a President that appoints an Attorney General that will ensure states make voting universal and access to ballots easy.

3) Expose those that promote the Greenwald/Snowden/Putin efforts to corrupt our election system rather than promoting them and honoring them



And 2016 only emboldened them. sandensea Jun 2018 #1
The fact that Donnie is acting with complete contempt for the majority is a big clue unblock Jun 2018 #2
I try not to say it too often... Hekate Jun 2018 #3
I'm cringing, too.. I don't want to jinx it.. but, this was encouraging Cha Jun 2018 #28
Understood Hekate Jun 2018 #46
I just replied to it.. Cha Jun 2018 #51
K and R for an excellent post pandr32 Jun 2018 #4
I agree padfun Jun 2018 #5
One would think Time for change Jun 2018 #10
ty for ur op questionseverything Jun 2018 #42
more info questionseverything Jun 2018 #43
every election this issue is raised 0rganism Jun 2018 #6
It's ignored because volstork Jun 2018 #17
It's also ignored because we don't do KPN Jun 2018 #25
I know! What is being done about this? I am so frustrated. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #30
Not sure what the country has done other than make money available to the states. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #35
Thanks for the link! I trust my own state (MA) to do something about it. And most of smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #36
Sadly agree about the red states. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #37
It's ignored because it's nonsense mythology Jun 2018 #55
Please see my Critique of Nate Silver's baseless statements on exit polls Time for change Jun 2018 #86
It is also important to notice that for years repubs have focused on obtaining as many elected or unitedwethrive Jun 2018 #7
I am sure the 'red wave' of which trump speaks includes putin! angstlessk Jun 2018 #8
Thank you. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2018 #9
Good post - thank you. And true to form it is the rethuglicans who cry voter fraud. You know c-rational Jun 2018 #11
K&R G_j Jun 2018 #12
GOTV won't work very well if we don't solve this -- RandomAccess Jun 2018 #13
I voted by paper the last few times. Have not trusted Eva since George Bush. We've burn getting notdarkyet Jun 2018 #16
That's a great start! Time for change Jun 2018 #20
Yes and RandomAccess Jun 2018 #22
Absolutely Time for change Jun 2018 #80
+1000! KPN Jun 2018 #21
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #34
Yep Meowmee Jun 2018 #14
Thanks for this awesome info FakeNoose Jun 2018 #15
K & R Excellent report on a PRIORITY ISSUE, very disturbing esp. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #18
I thoroughly agree with your post. Lonestarblue Jun 2018 #19
Trust Me: The Repukes Stole Ohio and the Election in 2004 ... DoctorJoJo Jun 2018 #23
California law mandates that at least one electronic voting device be available Mr.Bill Jun 2018 #24
Good to see your post Time for change, as always. Ellipsis Jun 2018 #26
Thank you Time for change Jun 2018 #85
The question I keep asking is Perseus Jun 2018 #27
Wouldn't we all like to know! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #31
Great question. I have long tried to figure out an answer to it. Time for change Jun 2018 #38
Because 🍊💩 and his band of crooks and traitors etc Meowmee Jun 2018 #97
Do you have proof of #2? fallout87 Jun 2018 #29
By # 2 do you mean my claim that the voting machine companies are owned by right wingers? Time for change Jun 2018 #49
also - watch what he gives away to Putin KT2000 Jun 2018 #32
Or if Putin gives him advance details of how the 2018 Midterms Golden Raisin Jun 2018 #54
As a relatively newcomer to the USA - legal citizen - I find the system of elections appalling. BSdetect Jun 2018 #33
Too late. Wednesdays Jun 2018 #77
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #39
Important post. JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #40
Hmmmm grantcart Jun 2018 #41
This is a really well-researched and well thought out post. I'm glad you took the time... Hekate Jun 2018 #44
I did not claim to present evidence for massive election theft in this post Time for change Jun 2018 #45
In reference to your last sentence: your admiration for Greenwald and Snowden is amazing... Hekate Jun 2018 #47
we are not going to have a discussion because you don't know what a fact is grantcart Jun 2018 #58
I'll repeat it again Time for change Jun 2018 #67
ridiculous assertion, do you even bother to check the numbers for the postulates you make? grantcart Jun 2018 #72
The OP's source doesn't look trustworthy with all that praising of putin Cha Jun 2018 #50
obama's team made a point to count the vote ahead of time questionseverything Jun 2018 #90
As long as the elections are tilted to the right so Grammy23 Jun 2018 #48
exactly; not sure what can be done about it AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #52
K&R for visibility. lunamagica Jun 2018 #53
We should have been concerned about it in 2000 (and many of us were) dflprincess Jun 2018 #56
Without diminishing other urgent national problems and issues Golden Raisin Jun 2018 #57
We have to take care of this. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #59
Then why have the 2017 elections tilted Democratic? Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #60
Currently the capacity for vote theft is not infinite Time for change Jun 2018 #61
That doesn't really explain the nationwide wins by Democrats Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #65
Our political climate has been shifted so far right that it is very difficult to tell what elections Time for change Jun 2018 #82
You've made a lot of allegations Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #83
This OP is an introduction to the series I'm doing at WNT Time for change Jun 2018 #84
i think the reason dems do so well in the current special elections questionseverything Jun 2018 #89
You continue to avoid the fundamental premise. grantcart Jun 2018 #68
I'm talking about exit polls Time for change Jun 2018 #71
lol, you obviously never studied political science grantcart Jun 2018 #73
Repeating corportate media's dismissal of the value of exit polls Time for change Jun 2018 #79
Great Questions grantcart Jun 2018 #63
I think there are issues regarding our voting methods Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #66
Scientific study on election fraud Time for change Jun 2018 #70
While interesting, that is not an independent, peer-reviewed study Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #74
On what basis do you say it's not independent or peer reviewed? Time for change Jun 2018 #78
On what basis do you say it is? Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #81
It was accepted for publication and published in a journal Time for change Jun 2018 #87
I understand the peer review process Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #88
here are a couple of studies questionseverything Jun 2018 #91
Those aren't peer-reviewed studies Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #92
Have those results really changed anything? RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #93
They could very well be important Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #94
I was more relieved than happy RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #96
Putin wants to make Trump sweat? seriously, just because elections are hackable doesn't mean TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #95
RIGHT....ON!! Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #62
K & R Blue Owl Jun 2018 #64
Election officials will swear their systems are ironclad. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #69
Each party has the right to observe the testing and clearing of these machines Gothmog Jul 2018 #99
The GOP has hacked DREs for years. Sancho Jun 2018 #75
a lot of dems are in denial about this, and obviously repugs don't care. they'll fight tooth and nai TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #76
There are procedures in place in the real world to protect these machines Gothmog Jul 2018 #98
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