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JCanete

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54. I agree with Cenk often, and generally appreciate that he and Anna try not to be unfair
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 05:02 AM
Jun 2018


or hypocritical in their characterization of democrats and even republicans, but I always cringe when he goes in on Clinton like this. It isn't fair and it isn't mindful of the challenges that she faced as a candidate that were entirely outside of her control, nor mindful of the political terrain she had to navigate getting into the Senate in the late 90's, followed by a post 9/11 conservative media(all of it) zealotry that had no strong social media counterbalance...and even MSNBC was an entirely different beast. I mean I could accept his assessment if he were gentler with that explanation. Maybe it was a little arrogant to run given just how much baggage she was carrying as a result of being public enemy number one for the GOP over the years, but I only see that in retrospect(since I was 100 percent convinced that she had this wrapped up myself). Besides, you have to have that kind of confidence to run regardless of who you are.

I do think many other candidates could have beaten Trump, though I'm not actually sure Sanders could have because Cenk is forgetting just how loathed left-wing progressives actually are by the media(yes I know Sanders is a bit of a ratings darling at the moment-post election), not to mention how luke-warm I feel the reception would have been by the DNC leadership given that for the most part they found Sanders to be antagonistic to what they believe is the way to govern, which would arguably make Sanders a threat, whether you wanted to characterize that as to the status quo or to our own party's political sucesss going forward.

But yes, while obviously I don't think he's trash, I don't find this kind of rhetoric or calling Clinton a horrible candidate helpful, since I find that statement equally untrue.

Anyone supporting Cenk should be banned . Wwcd Jun 2018 #1
I stopped paying attention to TYT a while back Gothmog Jun 2018 #2
What would you expect from a Holocaust denier? KansasKali Jun 2018 #3
Well, yabut zipplewrath Jun 2018 #4
One thing is for certain Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #12
Yerp! zipplewrath Jun 2018 #15
Hillary was the BEST Candidate.. too bad the Fucking Russians Cha Jun 2018 #22
I thought she was a good candidate. xmas74 Jun 2018 #23
This! pandr32 Jun 2018 #28
So many freaking fires to Cha Jun 2018 #31
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #65
They fought AFTER the primary manor321 Jun 2018 #5
They are STILL doing it. They want the Democratic Party gone. Wwcd Jun 2018 #10
Nah. I wasn't wondering. But, thanks for the reminder. GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2018 #7
cenk who? niyad Jun 2018 #8
Just another sick Republican like H A Goodman. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #9
This is how they speak & how they smugly define their place above all others. Wwcd Jun 2018 #11
lol what peril? treestar Jun 2018 #62
He's wealthy LyndaG Jun 2018 #13
He doesn't even sound sincere. You can tell he's digging into the bag of tricks R B Garr Jun 2018 #14
He couldnt win the primary but he would have won the general? Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #16
He's an a$$, but he's right about the campaign. Tatiana Jun 2018 #17
With friends like this: Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #19
FUCKING FECKLESS LIARS.. just like stein and sarandon. Cha Jun 2018 #20
cenk is a GasLighting asshole. Cha Jun 2018 #21
Agree on Cenk... he is a disgusting a$$hole. Tatiana Jun 2018 #24
I was following it closely and I don't believe there was "arrogance". Cha Jun 2018 #25
There was never a hint of arrogance, Cha lunamagica Jun 2018 #34
Gracias, Luna! I was hoping someone would Cha Jun 2018 #39
He was a Republican TheRealNorth Jun 2018 #29
Well here in Central Florida peekaloo Jun 2018 #68
It's a shame. But hopefully we can learn and do better. Tatiana Jun 2018 #69
Word! peekaloo Jun 2018 #70
STFU susan MFM008 Jun 2018 #55
Here.. you can tell her here Cha Jun 2018 #58
Thank you MFM008 Jun 2018 #71
They will never acknowledge their mistakes mcar Jun 2018 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author iamthebandfanman Jun 2018 #27
he's bad for Armenians Demonaut Jun 2018 #26
I wasn't wondering. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #30
I think Bernie would have won too. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #32
So do I. shanny Jun 2018 #33
Both of you are Wrong. Cha Jun 2018 #42
Too bad we'll never know for sure. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #46
I know you're Wrong. Cha Jun 2018 #47
You can't possibly know about something that was never tried. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #48
'and, neither the hell can you. Cha Jun 2018 #49
Correct. I only said I thought so, not that it was definite. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #51
Well I think NOT. Cha Jun 2018 #52
Too bad your friends misogyny trumpped therir best interests lunamagica Jun 2018 #35
Agreed. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #45
exactly why didn't they "like" Hillary? treestar Jun 2018 #64
HAHAHAHHAHAHA, Trump is Pro labor ? HAHHAH . Black Women had no problem voting for Clinton JI7 Jun 2018 #36
No, Тяцмр lied about being pro-labor. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #44
Well, you're dead WRONG. That's a bunch of wishful Cha Jun 2018 #41
Again, you can't definitively say that because it didn't happen. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #50
Of course if one totally ignores Comey and the Russians like Trump then all onus goes to HRC uponit7771 Jun 2018 #57
I did say that I thought she did win. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #60
Anyone who is CERTAIN Bernie would have won must believe that Russia pnwmom Jun 2018 #37
The woulda won stuff is bullshit RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #38
Total BULLSHIT.. but TYPICAL BULLSHIT from Cha Jun 2018 #40
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #56
Yeah where do they get that? treestar Jun 2018 #63
It's because they can't prove it that they say it. RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #67
This disgusting fucking asshole was behaving like Trump so got kicked off a plane JI7 Jun 2018 #43
Didn't some rich Repuklikan fund Cenk's little enterprise to the tune of million$$$? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #53
I agree with Cenk often, and generally appreciate that he and Anna try not to be unfair JCanete Jun 2018 #54
Takes money from Republicans...so fuck him. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #59
Geez. Why should the majority of Democrats apologize? treestar Jun 2018 #61
Is he still being funded by Republicans? Isn't he associated with Russian media or something? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #66
Just an important reminder.. Cha Jul 2018 #72
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