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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
24. These Members and Senators answer to their constituents
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:50 PM
Jul 2018

If their constituents pushed harder and supported them more strongly, they wouldn’t have to worry about toeing the line in order not to piss off people at home.

For example, whenever I criticize a Senator like McGaskill for being to conservative, I get lecture from here to Sunday about how conservative her district is, how she must represent her constituents, she can’t get too far out there, “would you rather have a Republican?!” etc.

If the members aren’t pushing hard enough for your taste, you need to jump on their constituents, not them.

I’m tired of Dems trying to have it both ways. We demand our leaders fall on their swords, but we don’t support them when they do. We whine about leadership not getting in Republicans’ faces, but then call for Nancy Pelosi’s ouster because Republicans don’t like her. We complain about being in the minority, but then find every excuse in the book not to vote for Democrats when it matters.

Blaming the voters is a losing proposition Kentonio Jul 2018 #1
+1 leftstreet Jul 2018 #3
Democrats did get more votes JI7 Jul 2018 #4
No, we got more votes for the presidency Kentonio Jul 2018 #8
Actually got more voters for Senate too Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #175
When voters don't turn out it is the fault of the voter. Wwcd Jul 2018 #12
Yup. On this site someone bragged about mary landrieu losing JI7 Jul 2018 #14
If you want to sit and blame voters, then feel free Kentonio Jul 2018 #22
Who casts the votes kentonio? Wwcd Jul 2018 #28
If it's a child's excuse then we shouldn't use it ourselves Kentonio Jul 2018 #43
I think it is childish and foolish to message vote with so much at stake. (not talking about you). Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #97
In my family, the vote isn't a privilege, it's a duty. KitSileya Jul 2018 #85
And if everyone thought that was, the country would be a much better place Kentonio Jul 2018 #87
How about not simply caving in to that? treestar Jul 2018 #126
It doesn't work. Kentonio Jul 2018 #143
Ive seen it work on many people, and more since Trump came in. They're not likely to talk about bettyellen Jul 2018 #151
That is what I told my kids. My son was a Sanders supporter and reluctant to vote for Hillary, Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #98
So how does this get fixed? whopis01 Jul 2018 #138
+10,000, Wwcd. Voting and voting well is a citizen's duty. Hortensis Jul 2018 #184
Speaking of advertising, Americans have been receiving the message for decades that betsuni Jul 2018 #83
It is not sales treestar Jul 2018 #123
It is absolutely sales Kentonio Jul 2018 #125
How is not voting going to affect the future? treestar Jul 2018 #130
A genuinely scary number of people just don't think politics effects them Kentonio Jul 2018 #142
For a great many people it is whopis01 Jul 2018 #139
Damn Straight it's on the lazy ass person who can't Cha Jul 2018 #62
I'm fed up with that silly game too, Cha 🍃⚘ Wwcd Jul 2018 #65
The only way to reverse the insidious fascism that's happening bit by bit is by VOTING this November Cha Jul 2018 #67
This should be a great big massive Campaign Ad Wwcd Jul 2018 #71
And, this.. Cha Jul 2018 #72
Exactly. treestar Jul 2018 #121
If those voters are so stupid and misinformed it is on them. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #19
There's always someone trying to protect lazy ass Cha Jul 2018 #64
I'm sorry qazplm135 Jul 2018 #27
Blame them all you like, but it doesn't achieve anything. Kentonio Jul 2018 #44
What can we achieve with voters who still threaten not to vote? We used to ask what is the matter Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #99
nope it doesn't qazplm135 Jul 2018 #206
It's exactly an inspiring candidate and message that will get them out Kentonio Jul 2018 #207
and it's literally why we lost nearly every election qazplm135 Jul 2018 #208
Us losing those elections wasn't because we had an inspirational and charismatic leader Kentonio Jul 2018 #209
Guest on Meet the Press yesterday (didn't get his name) was asked where the Dems went wrong EffieBlack Jul 2018 #212
Exactly, qazplm.. it Means they don't Cha Jul 2018 #60
NO, you're Wrong.. Cha Jul 2018 #58
Not enough people chose Clinton over Trump. Eko Jul 2018 #61
Cool. Throw your hands up in the airs and call them all fucking losers. Kentonio Jul 2018 #63
when someone makes a mistake, Eko Jul 2018 #66
The last thing the electorate will accept is being lectured by a political party Kentonio Jul 2018 #74
I didnt know I was a political party! Eko Jul 2018 #81
Kids are being torn away from parents and hidden . Voters SHOULD be blamed if they don't think JI7 Jul 2018 #84
So, since you are the arbiter of what we can say to voters, Eko Jul 2018 #173
I manage a large store. Eko Jul 2018 #69
Voters are not your employees Kentonio Jul 2018 #73
Wow. Can't believe that needed to be said. But there it is. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #109
Trump voters love to be insulted, yes they will buy next time. betsuni Jul 2018 #113
Dont see where I said we should insult them at all. Eko Jul 2018 #167
Voters aren't "customers." EffieBlack Jul 2018 #168
If they don't vote in the midterm with baby jails and all the other shit Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #101
dems can't sell shit if they keep ignoring 1500 radio stations - that can now be negated certainot Jul 2018 #76
Completely agree Kentonio Jul 2018 #80
I agree with you, but the big money who used to donate have been chased out by the pure people...who Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #102
30 yrs ago RW put racist assholes on every corner and stump in the country yelling certainot Jul 2018 #116
The wealthy conservatives did this...and it takes money...what is your suggestion? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #137
those stations need money from advertisers, and support from uni and pro sports certainot Jul 2018 #145
Advertisers have not been paying for Limbaugh for years now. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #146
Then why does it make sense to blame Dems in the face of simple math? kcr Jul 2018 #89
You are making absolutely no sense Kentonio Jul 2018 #94
I'm making no sense? kcr Jul 2018 #100
What are you even talking about?! Kentonio Jul 2018 #119
They should be called out because saying oh...it is not your fault can only reinforce what they did Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #105
You are spot on. Don't doubt it. BlueWI Jul 2018 #181
+1000 It makes perfect sense. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #103
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #104
Facts are facts...the voters are to blame. Some used their Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #95
Voters who don't vote treestar Jul 2018 #120
This is true Kentonio Jul 2018 #122
It's amazing we're still having these discussions. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #129
Indeed. Kentonio Jul 2018 #141
Failed use of responsibility deserves blame. Voting is a responsibility. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #144
To what end? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #164
+1 this is a fundamental fact that is being distorted and ignored by many - n/t Locrian Jul 2018 #154
yep. It would help if Democrats were willing to lose some big donors to serve their actual voters yurbud Jul 2018 #166
It is every citizen's responsibility to vote Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #172
I applaud your efforts Lordquinton Jul 2018 #201
You sound like you think that voting is doing a favor for the candidates are EffieBlack Jul 2018 #211
We could stop 10 judges RandySF Jul 2018 #2
Oh give it a fucking rest Kentonio Jul 2018 #10
The ones attacking Democrats usually want republicans to win JI7 Jul 2018 #11
Bernie supporters ARE democrats Kentonio Jul 2018 #25
Who brought bernie's name into this? We're discussing VOTERS. Wwcd Jul 2018 #35
Did you actually bother reading the posts you replied to? Kentonio Jul 2018 #45
Your response is confirmation that attacks are damaging, R B Garr Jul 2018 #47
Not that much difference between saying someone accomplished nothing betsuni Jul 2018 #78
I don't get that...unless you live in Vermont...why are there still Bernie supporters...I tell you, Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #106
Democrats need to know where they stand, if they stand firm as Democrats, then... Civic Justice Jul 2018 #152
"Oh give it a fucking rest" Cha Jul 2018 #68
You start it by saying our leaders are not good enough treestar Jul 2018 #127
Our leaders are not delicate little flowers Kentonio Jul 2018 #140
They need to be supported treestar Jul 2018 #153
So, is Bernie a "delicate little flower"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #174
Ya beat me to it. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #176
Some just beat that 'Dems are week! Dems in Dissaray!' old drum to anything they can find to Wwcd Jul 2018 #5
+1 TheRealNorth Jul 2018 #33
I find the ones whose conscience troubles them to vote for democrats JI7 Jul 2018 #6
And then whine like babies about "divisiveness" whenever they're called on it. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #16
I don't think anyone was trying to 'teach Obama a lesson' leftstreet Jul 2018 #7
Then you weren't paying attention EffieBlack Jul 2018 #17
I do. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #18
Remember the "he should have held out for universal Healthcare" complaints EffieBlack Jul 2018 #42
Yes they were...tons of post whining about the failure to get single payer....they taught him Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #107
Yes they were - the ACA was not good enough treestar Jul 2018 #128
Hold up. I was angry about the homophobic preacher at the inauguration, but I never stopped voting D yardwork Jul 2018 #189
I don't blame them but the purists treestar Jul 2018 #197
Those posters had agendas other than achieving equal rights, IMO. yardwork Jul 2018 #198
I remember there was someone that bragged about not voting for mary landrieu JI7 Jul 2018 #9
I was a lurker than...and saw the same thing...and we have never had a working majority since those Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #108
Just yesterday i said voting is the most important thing JI7 Jul 2018 #13
Please stop calling Dems "weak" ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #15
That's not why they're weak. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #20
You want to rig elections and shiv old ladies? Orangepeel Jul 2018 #21
Want to? No. But if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #23
That's the excuse Republicans give EffieBlack Jul 2018 #26
+100. n/t pnwmom Jul 2018 #32
Sometimes, power is the only antidote to power. ArchTeryx Jul 2018 #40
the Republicans appeal to Bigotry . it's a Bigoted Straight White Xtian Party that hates everyone JI7 Jul 2018 #51
BlueTsunami2018 and ArchTeryx--THANK YOU! pelerin Jul 2018 #55
By having better policies. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #75
These Members and Senators answer to their constituents EffieBlack Jul 2018 #24
It's not that they don't want it as badly. It's that they ALSO value the democratic process pnwmom Jul 2018 #31
Exactly! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #34
Yes! If Dems got anywhere near bending, let alone breaking a law ... betsuni Jul 2018 #52
Well then prepare for right wing, iron fisted rule for the rest of your life. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #77
I don't want left or right iron-fisted rule for the rest of my life. pnwmom Jul 2018 #86
I don't want left wing iron fisted rule either. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #88
Excellent Post. LenaBaby61 Jul 2018 #132
Yes! And THAT'S why they get called weak kcr Jul 2018 #96
Welcome to DU leftstreet Jul 2018 #57
I know it's not a popular sentiment here, but... Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #82
They are not weak. It is simply math...nothing they do can stop the SCOTUS pick...and it Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #110
Really? When did they ever "pay them back"? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #124
you are incorrect and this looks like an attempt to discourage Democratic voters. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #135
Typical. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #165
I don't get that from your post... and I never pretend... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #171
And the meme that Dems are "weak" encourages anti-Trump people not to bother voting at all. pnwmom Jul 2018 #29
Yes it does. I know some who whined about holding their nose and voting for Hillary...and they Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #111
Thank you. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2018 #30
We should look forward and not backward. secondwind Jul 2018 #36
Dem leaders just threw Maxine under the bus. radius777 Jul 2018 #37
You're expecting Dem leadership to govern like Trump EffieBlack Jul 2018 #38
Not like Trump - more like Maxine Waters, radius777 Jul 2018 #48
Maybe you didn't mean it like this, but... pelerin Jul 2018 #56
Hell YES! Raster Jul 2018 #117
I wasn't referring to Maxine. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #147
And that, Effie, is the problem... Raster Jul 2018 #90
amen! BlueWI Jul 2018 #182
No they didn't. And the Dem leaders are in charge and working to try to win the mid term...they Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #112
The same people who insist that Pelosi needs to go because she antagonizes Republicans EffieBlack Jul 2018 #148
Yep...I don't think that some understand the reality of politics. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #149
'the same people who insist that Pelosi needs to go because she antagonizes Republicans' melman Jul 2018 #150
You must not have been paying attention EffieBlack Jul 2018 #156
We didn't do anything to the Republicans for not letting us name a SCJ. amywalk Jul 2018 #39
What did YOU do to fight for Garland in 2016? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #41
What did our President do? BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #46
What did YOU do? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #157
What did you want Democratic politicians to do? Tweak Mitch McConnell's nose? Recursion Jul 2018 #115
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #118
Dispatch every rep to every news outlet. BlueWI Jul 2018 #183
Ah, the "strongest possible language" Recursion Jul 2018 #193
It's part of a suite of actions. BlueWI Jul 2018 #214
And maybe most importantly BlueWI Jul 2018 #185
Prepare for a very bad year at school. This is what we were warning you about in 2010 and 2014 Recursion Jul 2018 #194
So what's your suggestion? BlueWI Jul 2018 #215
Together, United, We'll Never Be Divided! BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #49
Just because word "weak" has some stigma and baggage doesn't mean its wrong. fescuerescue Jul 2018 #50
Amen to that!! Thekaspervote Jul 2018 #53
What is with the "democrats" and "weak" threads? applegrove Jul 2018 #54
I know! Not enough votes means not enough votes. betsuni Jul 2018 #59
We ARE weak if we give up before anyone's even been nominated. But we're better than that!. pelerin Jul 2018 #70
People need to complain RandySF Jul 2018 #79
"Voting is useless! Your vote doesn't matter! It's all rigged!" etc. etc. Oneironaut Jul 2018 #136
It's just another way to smear and attack Democrats and the Democratic party... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #91
Sadly, this is our lesson in why everyone needs to vote. Vinca Jul 2018 #92
+1000 Effie! This is the same sort of thing that happened in 2000 where we got two wars, two Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #93
Yep. Blame the weak-ass Republicans... Orsino Jul 2018 #114
If the Dems are "weak" it is not having numbers and it is treestar Jul 2018 #131
K&R mcar Jul 2018 #133
There is very little can be done Gothmog Jul 2018 #134
DEM LEADERSHIP (& MSM) ARE to blame for their silence about Greg Palast reports on '16 elections! cloudythescribbler Jul 2018 #155
Are you serious? Gothmog Jul 2018 #162
Thank you for the well-explained and supported reality check EffieBlack Jul 2018 #170
Election law is my hobby and I spend a great deal of time volunteering in this area Gothmog Jul 2018 #180
I also worked on election protection, so I totally get what you're saying EffieBlack Jul 2018 #187
Once a cycle, I serve as an election judge Gothmog Jul 2018 #190
What "silence"? They talk about it all the time. Eric Holder formed a damn NGO Recursion Jul 2018 #195
You are wrong and ill-informed -- and Gothmog is right. I remember Dem preparation & efforts. Hekate Jul 2018 #204
Of course, we shouldn't have to be stopping an SC nominee. Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #158
A recess appointment would have lapsed in January 2017 EffieBlack Jul 2018 #160
Congress was kept in technical session after Scalia died Gothmog Jul 2018 #163
I forgot about that EffieBlack Jul 2018 #169
This Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #191
This would have made no difference whatsoever. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #196
Why are you so vested in twisting stuff. Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #199
What you call "twisting" is simply pointing out reality EffieBlack Jul 2018 #200
Duck how you will Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #205
I agree that this is a major issue eleny Jul 2018 #159
From the Last Word-there is no magic way to block a vote Gothmog Jul 2018 #161
There is no way to block a vote... probably... Raster Jul 2018 #192
How is it Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #177
The GOP isn't resurrecting any esoteric rules. They're BREAKING the rules. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #178
Replace Manchin w another Dem. He doesn't vote w us anyway Effie. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #179
Exactly how do you propose "replacing him with another Dem" in the next four months? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #186
By wishful thinking...how else? Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #188
I agree with your point. But stop calling democrats... GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #202
Hunh? "Dems" is a smear? That's news to me EffieBlack Jul 2018 #203
From Betty Bowers Gothmog Jul 2018 #210
I wonder what you think about this law professor's article. pnwmom Jul 2018 #213
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