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Sophia4

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32. It might be more certain to charge conspiracy, but I wouldn't count out treason

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:18 AM

Jul 2018

so quickly.

Why?

Because Trump made a point of saying that he views Putin more as a competitor than as an enemy. Well, that may matter.

Consider this possibility. And it is just a possibility. One of the definitions in Article III, section 3 for treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Another is leveying war against the US -- which could be construed as levying cyberwar against the US. I'm not saying that what was done constitutes cyberwar or that Trump will be found to have given aid and comfort to Russia, but it is a possibility.

If Russian officers are found to have hacked into our election-related websites and performed other acts to involve themselves illegally in our election(s), then Russia's government could be viewed as an enemy. And if Trump or his team gave them aid and comfort in some way, then we could have a treason charge.

Other definitions of treason from our Constitution might also apply.

Article III, section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

It's possible. There are a lot of ifs and buts, but it is one possibility. We don't know all the facts yet.

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Well said, as always, my dear H20 Man. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #2

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I can't pretend for a moment to be astute enough to understand the intricacies of... Guilded Lilly Jul 2018 #31

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Thank you, actually. This is such a horrific struggle, every day. Guilded Lilly Jul 2018 #64

It is horrific. H2O Man Jul 2018 #78

It might be more certain to charge conspiracy, but I wouldn't count out treason Sophia4 Jul 2018 #32

Great points! H2O Man Jul 2018 #45

Could be. But they will have to decide whether to limit or expand the charges. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #47

I respectfully disagree. KentuckyWoman Jul 2018 #33

I'm somewhere in the middle. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #35

I'll start by saying H2O Man Jul 2018 #46

Multiply by 10 on the crimes...divide by 10 on the consequences Awsi Dooger Jul 2018 #79

You seem to be overlooking the fact that republican primary voters put Trump in position jaysunb Jul 2018 #80

If treason comes it will be in a second wave Takket Jul 2018 #34

Outstanding reply! H2O Man Jul 2018 #49

Agreed. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #58

This is so hard to watch. Seeing our country being destroyed from within. spanone Jul 2018 #39

Absolutely. H2O Man Jul 2018 #50

Trump's decision to ignore the 12 Russians indicted... kentuck Jul 2018 #48

It's disgraceful, kentuck. H2O Man Jul 2018 #51

And all Republicans share the disgrace. kentuck Jul 2018 #55

They are traitors to this nation. H2O Man Jul 2018 #73

Lower than whale shit.. kentuck Jul 2018 #75

Yes, but remember, there still has been *0* indictments! Oneironaut Jul 2018 #52

Exactly! H2O Man Jul 2018 #53

One question DonaldsRump Jul 2018 #59

This is my question too. We're in treacherous uncharted waters! PearliePoo2 Jul 2018 #61

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Here: H2O Man Jul 2018 #85

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