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PatrickforO

(14,561 posts)
8. I'm a bit troubled by this BNC deal.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 03:08 AM
Jul 2018

I spoke of this on a different thread, but perhaps it is relevant here.

In terms of that square where we get classified as to whether we are liberal or conservative on one axis and libertarian or authoritarian on the other, I'm as libertarian and liberal as you can get, pretty much.

Now, I'm not asking anyone to believe as I do - I'm just saying that so you know where I'm coming from.

If you've studied your 20th century history, you know that you can make a serious and compelling argument that the 20th century didn't really begin socially until 1919. At that time millions had died in the horrible First World War, followed by a flu epidemic that took many more lives.

In the meantime, Marxism had taken root in what became the Soviet Union and the reds were fighting the white tsarists in a bloody civil war.

When the reds won, the guy in charge was Vladimir Lenin. Now, for Lenin, power was the important thing, so he, and later Stalin, developed a totalitarian state.

So, you see, they were liberal in terms of social policy, but about as authoritarian as you can get. In the end, that lock-step approach doesn't work worth a hoot because it takes away individualism and individual achievement and replaces it with a statism every bit as bad as the right wing fascist brand. We saw that in 1991 when the old USSR collapsed.

To me, BNC's lock-step, authoritarian approach calls up red flags all over the place. 'Primarying' middle of the road Dems from the left might be fine in normal times, but we're not in normal times. I'm not saying that someone who is a Dem in name only but by rights should be caucusing with the Republicans shouldn't be primaried by someone more in tune with our platform, but what I am saying is this isn't the year to do it. We need to paste these Republican charlatans good, and get Trump out of the WH. THAT is the priority.

Now, the BNC is free to do what it wants, but I'm saying I'm kinda sad to see this approach being utilized against less liberal Dems. I'm kind of disappointed in their leadership.

Reestablishing Democracy [View all] H2O Man Jul 2018 OP
Bravo - really well stated. Certainly the wide cultural variety of regions of our country - NRaleighLiberal Jul 2018 #1
Right. H2O Man Jul 2018 #9
I read that article earlier today and your thoughts mirror exactly what I was thinking. jaysunb Jul 2018 #2
Thanks, jaysunb! H2O Man Jul 2018 #10
The Democratic Party does move in cycles. kentuck Jul 2018 #3
Ha! H2O Man Jul 2018 #11
Somehow I have always felt that the House of Representatives should always be Democratic... kentuck Jul 2018 #22
That it should. H2O Man Jul 2018 #23
we all gotta live together dweller Jul 2018 #4
Right. H2O Man Jul 2018 #13
Thank H20 Man. CentralMass Jul 2018 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2018 #14
We'll have to get big money out of politics first. sandensea Jul 2018 #6
Well said. H2O Man Jul 2018 #15
They indeed really can't serve both sandensea Jul 2018 #17
Well said. H2O Man Jul 2018 #18
Why people even think we have a ''Democracy" now is beyond comprehension. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #7
Definitely. H2O Man Jul 2018 #16
I'm a bit troubled by this BNC deal. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #8
Very interesting. H2O Man Jul 2018 #19
point I've been making bigtree Jul 2018 #12
I've been reading H2O Man Jul 2018 #20
Jesse's run was an inspiration for me bigtree Jul 2018 #21
"Keep Hope Alive!" H2O Man Jul 2018 #24
KnR! Hekate Jul 2018 #25
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2018 #27
Again.....when H20 Man speaks, I listen. democrank Jul 2018 #26
A quilt! H2O Man Jul 2018 #28
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