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c-rational

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4. Not saying we do not need an Infrastructure Project. The American Society of Civil Engineers
Sat Jul 28, 2018, 01:11 PM
Jul 2018

(of which I am a member) pegs the cost at 4 trillion dollars. This would require lots of specialized skills. Maintenance less so. As a society we now build public works projects at great cost, we do not maintain them properly and then rebuild them at even greater costs. It has something to do with arbitrage rules and bonding, i.e. why funds are not set aside for maintenance. Simply painting bridges works wonders. It is the reason why NY bridges which are in the TBTA are maintained and the east river bridges are allowed to rot..

How about no. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #1
Not saying we do not need an Infrastructure Project. The American Society of Civil Engineers c-rational Jul 2018 #4
I have to agree. Blue_true Jul 2018 #14
Plus the unions would scream bloody murder. DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #52
No they wouldn't...n/t bluecollar2 Jul 2018 #112
Please read what Kilgore has to say (Posts 101 and 108_) DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #118
Former union member myself bluecollar2 Jul 2018 #119
Why reject it? Both can be done. The CCC during FDR's admin... brush Jul 2018 #28
America should question how capitalism works in this country. kentuck Jul 2018 #33
Here you go JDC Jul 2018 #2
I have loved the idea for years...National Service could make this nation heal old wounds... Moostache Jul 2018 #3
Because every bill that has been introduced has required (military) basic training Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #42
I think the OP is suggesting nat'l service with military as an option... brush Jul 2018 #48
My point is that there have been numerous bills introduced Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #91
We'll see. I don't see a Dem sponsored bill requiring military service... brush Jul 2018 #102
It's hardly knee jerk. I've been working on this issue for decades. Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #109
Agreed. c-rational Jul 2018 #59
We aren't peasant slaves to build roads and clear ditches for the government. braddy Jul 2018 #5
No we are citizens - teacher's assistants, health care helpers, park helpers, and many more. c-rational Jul 2018 #10
It's spelled Slave I don't want the government to enslave us. braddy Jul 2018 #17
Do you think of the military draft as slavery? Hekate Jul 2018 #70
Conscription is the most undemocratic thing a representative government can do - (obviously Midwestern Democrat Jul 2018 #78
I tend to agree -- with you Hekate Jul 2018 #83
You can't be serious. There are still many unemployed people... brush Jul 2018 #29
WWII got us out of the Depression and we aren't in the Depression and were those men forced into braddy Jul 2018 #30
The depression lasted for many years. The WPA and CCC put many to... brush Jul 2018 #31
No one was forced into the CCC. It was the great depression, remember? brush Jul 2018 #49
So it is not relevant to this thread for several major reasons. braddy Jul 2018 #53
Ahhh...saying that the CCC was forced labor isn't relevant. brush Jul 2018 #54
I knew they weren't forced, and they and the depression aren't relevant to this threads proposal, or braddy Jul 2018 #57
Depends on what your perspective is. If you're unemployed with... brush Jul 2018 #74
Employers are desperate for workers and working for welfare is held as a no go, we are not in the braddy Jul 2018 #76
You sure you're on the right site? No one is talking about forced labor. brush Jul 2018 #81
Are you on the right thread? ""mandatory national service. All Americans are required to serve."" braddy Jul 2018 #82
I'm in favor of it being voluntary. Calm the fuck down with the slavery.. brush Jul 2018 #86
Voluntary isn't what the thread is about and voluntary is called a job, we have plenty of those now, braddy Jul 2018 #88
We are in all but name, when the majority of Americans can't even lay their hands on $400 ... Hekate Jul 2018 #75
LOL, this is getting silly, we don't need to enslave Americans. braddy Jul 2018 #77
You are the only one in this thread who blathers on about slavery.Nobody is proposing any such thing Hekate Jul 2018 #79
Slaves to the state, I'm against it. braddy Jul 2018 #80
You have a rather broad definition then. Are you a Libertarian, perhaps? Hekate Jul 2018 #84
LOL, no, and I didn't know that was required to disagree with being drafted as a slave to the gov. braddy Jul 2018 #85
My grandfather was an electrician in the CCC after he lost his business in the Depression... Hekate Jul 2018 #67
mandatory like a draft eShirl Jul 2018 #6
Yes, I believe it should be mandatory like jury duty. I see it as an equalizer. c-rational Jul 2018 #11
But, it wouldn't be leftofcool Jul 2018 #13
OR, like many New Deal jobs, it could be used Hortensis Jul 2018 #16
You left out Asians, would they be in the offices or the fields? braddy Jul 2018 #19
Well, the Republicans would put them all on a slow boat MineralMan Jul 2018 #20
Would the Asians be in the fields or the offices? braddy Jul 2018 #21
They'd be sent out of the country, as I said. MineralMan Jul 2018 #22
Why then and not now, why China? braddy Jul 2018 #23
Do think about that a little longer, OK? MineralMan Jul 2018 #25
National service will lead to the deportation of all Asian Americans to China, got it. braddy Jul 2018 #26
Come on. It's tongue in cheek. And we know even the repugs would... brush Jul 2018 #32
It was the continued answer to my question responding to post 13, which left out the Asians, braddy Jul 2018 #38
Disregard the naysayers. If such a program was ever installed... brush Jul 2018 #40
So from each according to their abilities fescuerescue Jul 2018 #46
I wouldn't go so far as the communism/socialism meme... brush Jul 2018 #47
Well, that's an idea that gets brought up from time to time. MineralMan Jul 2018 #7
We know the repugs would never start such a program. brush Jul 2018 #34
In any case, it would be abused from the very start. MineralMan Jul 2018 #35
I see it differently but post your reasons. Programs like this have worked before. brush Jul 2018 #37
Not in this country, they haven't. MineralMan Jul 2018 #39
Ahhh...there's an alternative to the military. brush Jul 2018 #41
We have long favored this Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #8
And then trump could get his golf courses tended and mowed for free... NightWatcher Jul 2018 #9
Nope! leftofcool Jul 2018 #12
They tried that during the depression. Called them the CC camps. shraby Jul 2018 #15
Civialian Conservation Corps. There was also Works Project Administration. Hekate Jul 2018 #87
Make voting a national holiday and make it mandatory kcr Jul 2018 #18
Who said anything about forced labor? brush Jul 2018 #36
No mandatory voting.... tomp Jul 2018 #89
No thanks. SamKnause Jul 2018 #24
I've thought so for a long time catrose Jul 2018 #27
Only if the choices are equally rewarded Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #43
Make it voluntary with benefits and pay all equal whether non-military... brush Jul 2018 #50
Military salaries aren't economically competitive... brooklynite Jul 2018 #51
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Those details are not unsolvable problems. brush Jul 2018 #55
It should at least be an option. Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #92
Agreed. All would receive the same pay...whatever option chosen. c-rational Jul 2018 #62
Well that doesn't seem fair fescuerescue Jul 2018 #90
There are actually progressive organizations that structure their pay that way Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #94
Sounds interesting fescuerescue Jul 2018 #99
Their view is that everyone needs a steady income, Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #110
yea I get it fescuerescue Jul 2018 #115
Bread for the World was Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #120
So we eliminate all those high paying jobs fescuerescue Jul 2018 #44
Not at all. I for one do not believe the unemployment numbers given. I believe there are a lot c-rational Jul 2018 #63
How will you enforce the mandatory part? Nt B2G Jul 2018 #45
Good question. Maybe the same way the Selective Service was run. c-rational Jul 2018 #64
What if you have a full time job(s)? B2G Jul 2018 #65
Make service typically between 18-25. There will always be exceptions. c-rational Jul 2018 #68
So college is out. Nt B2G Jul 2018 #69
Sure, full-time, benefits including pension. jcboon Jul 2018 #56
No. roamer65 Jul 2018 #58
Great idea! Thunderbeast Jul 2018 #60
Thank you. I like your structure also, and the title universal service obligation. c-rational Jul 2018 #71
Required? Meh. A new WPA wouldn't be a bad idea, though. Oneironaut Jul 2018 #61
good idea handmade34 Jul 2018 #66
Agreed it would take a lot of work to make it work well and fairly, and a task worth undertaking imo c-rational Jul 2018 #72
Right now we need to get rid of the GOP. If they try their hands at this it will be a nightmare... Hekate Jul 2018 #73
No , there are already many volunteer programs out there JI7 Jul 2018 #93
This is not a call for voluntary service. All are included and you get paid. One year of service c-rational Jul 2018 #97
no, it's just not realistic. JI7 Jul 2018 #104
Would wealthy kids be included? Doubt it dembotoz Jul 2018 #95
Yes. Everyone is included. That is the point. c-rational Jul 2018 #96
I thought the point was to fix things that need fixing in this country. fescuerescue Jul 2018 #100
yes, they will get "jobs" serving us embassy in France JI7 Jul 2018 #105
Mitt Romney got Paris money counts bullshit walks dembotoz Jul 2018 #111
NO. KentuckyWoman Jul 2018 #98
No work for private companies and all must serve, that is the point. c-rational Jul 2018 #106
My SIL says no way without a strike Kilgore Jul 2018 #101
Do not know what an SIL is, but I am pro union. This is not meant to compete with private sector c-rational Jul 2018 #107
SIL Son in Law Kilgore Jul 2018 #108
I'm on board with that. byronius Jul 2018 #103
I will not indenture myself to a government that controls so many aspects of my life. Orsino Jul 2018 #113
I think it's a good idea. bluecollar2 Jul 2018 #114
no thanks. KG Jul 2018 #116
I disagree with the unemployment figures published, but the idea for national service is not just c-rational Jul 2018 #117
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