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stevenleser

(32,886 posts) Sun Aug 12, 2018, 09:36 PM Aug 2018

WAPO: "Fact-checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's media blitz" [View all]

This is not pretty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/10/fact-checking-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-media-blitz/?utm_term=.3ab0569c3507

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“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs."" - False

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“ICE is required to fill 34,000 beds with detainees every single night and that number has only been increasing since 2009.” - False

"“They [national Democrats] were campaigning most when we had more of an American middle class. This upper middle class is probably more moderate but that upper middle class does not exist anymore in America.” - False

"“In a Koch brothers-funded study...it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is actually much cheaper than the current system that we pay right now.” - False

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“The reason that the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act is because they ruled that each of these monthly payments that everyday American make is a tax." - False

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WAPO: "Fact-checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's media blitz" [View all] stevenleser Aug 2018 OP

Ouch SHRED Aug 2018 #1

This is blown WAY out of proportion EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #2

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Other Dems don't get this kind of exposure EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #10

Sure they do. Dems in leadership absolutely do. And there is a reason they are in leadership. stevenleser Aug 2018 #11

No. There is correct, and there is nitpicking. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #15

Nitpicking? She is wrong, and easily demonstrated to be wrong. She is going to be in congress and is stevenleser Aug 2018 #17

She is right on big picture issues EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #21

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Crucifixion not required for jaywalking EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #23

Elected officials do two things, vote on bills and public speaking on the issues. Neither is stevenleser Aug 2018 #24

Hear, hear. KPN Aug 2018 #59

I think a Dem wouldn't torpedo a rising spokesperson. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #136

I agree. KPN Aug 2018 #137

Spokesperson for whom? ucrdem Aug 2018 #141

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Yes but whose? Bashing the ACA on CNN is not a core Democratic value ucrdem Aug 2018 #147

I'm guessing you refer to her promotion of Medicare For All as bashing the ACA. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #148

Correct, ACA was a beginning not an end all. dae Aug 2018 #152

Bingo! nt Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #64

Dead on! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #97

Well argued, EndGOPPropaganda! Thank you. berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #113

Thank you EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #138

+1 leftstreet Aug 2018 #144

OK. So you don't like her. We got it. KPN Aug 2018 #58

This "fact checking" seems familiar... TiberiusB Aug 2018 #63

Yup the fact checkers were wrong and Mercatus exposed EndGOPPropaganda Sep 2018 #172

She should have the discretion to decline EffieBlack Aug 2018 #30

+ 1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #101

Bingo, Effie. kstewart33 Aug 2018 #107

So you think the little lady should stay home & know her place womanofthehills Aug 2018 #159

Are you serious? EffieBlack Aug 2018 #161

I bet her district loves seeing her out there - proud of their own womanofthehills Aug 2018 #158

Nate Silver? The guy who is routinely dissed on DU? George II Aug 2018 #42

Yup. Even without Nate Silver/Matt Yglesias KPN Aug 2018 #57

At least she talks a good game. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #3

That would imply people believes the incorrect facts she is spewing. I don't think anyone does. stevenleser Aug 2018 #7

What? That claim was widely covered. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #12

She is making policy for the country. She should know better than to trust a third rate publication. stevenleser Aug 2018 #13

Well said stevenleser. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #16

This attitude is defeatist. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #18

Bullshit, we don't need people who don't know the facts to be speaking for us. THAT is defeatist stevenleser Aug 2018 #19

Anyone who parades around with non-democrats blue cat Aug 2018 #32

Thin skin won't cut it in Washington, DC George II Aug 2018 #43

actually they don't say it is a good thing dsc Aug 2018 #29

What circles you in? Probably not the one(s) KPN Aug 2018 #60

+1 Two jobs to make ends meet is hardly unknown EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #139

"not knowing anyone who works two jobs" is almost a perfect illustration... redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #149

I know them too. Nm EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #154

Wow! These kinds of misrepresentations can really backfire. She grew up in privilege. R B Garr Aug 2018 #151

This is a rightwing talking point EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #155

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What you said is a rightwing talking point EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #163

And LOL, your link is to her comment about Boston R B Garr Aug 2018 #157

No. Her mom scrubbed toilets EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #164

It's not a "right wing talking point", nor was it debunked. George II Aug 2018 #169

For posterity: AOC was right, and fact checkers were wrong EndGOPPropaganda Sep 2018 #173

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And I think that is saying it about as nice as you can. stevenleser Aug 2018 #9

When holding feet to the fire is on the other foot. betsuni Aug 2018 #5

Yes, the double standard is glaring. Cha Aug 2018 #28

Yes. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #31

We had a Firewall Cha Aug 2018 #33

Yea, we did. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #34

I knooow.. we were such a Cha Aug 2018 #37

YES! We were. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #39

I wonder why her feet are not held to the fire? leftofcool Aug 2018 #79

This times 1000 JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #96

K&R ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #8

This is Exactly why ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #14

One Hopes Me. Aug 2018 #20

Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate nt stevenleser Aug 2018 #25

All hope abandon, ye who enter, elleng Aug 2018 #27

Once upon a time, two well known individuals were elected to the senate question everything Aug 2018 #54

Nah, populist lies get swept under the rug. joshcryer Aug 2018 #61

""In a Koch brothers-funded study...it shows that Medicare for all is actually much more, is.. Cha Aug 2018 #26

That study did show savings overall for Medicare for All ... mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #84

The savings may also be a lie dansolo Aug 2018 #98

Point is many on our side have pointed out that the language in teh study suggests mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #121

Did you actually read the study? dansolo Aug 2018 #133

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That article is a fluff piece. It doesn't mention any of the issues brought up by the paper. dansolo Aug 2018 #145

I have an elegant solution. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #35

Yes. She bashed Tammy Duckworth for pointing out that she doesn't speak for the midwest..... George II Aug 2018 #45

Tammy Duckworth knows damn well about constituants with her 2006 loss. joshcryer Aug 2018 #62

Exactly, and with the primary results in the midwest that we saw last week... George II Aug 2018 #117

Let me guess, you are not a supporter of AOC. Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #36

Not being a supporter is far different from "bashing". George II Aug 2018 #47

It sounds like bashing to me. vsrazdem Aug 2018 #56

Republicans should be holding AOC's feet to the fire, not fellow Dems. This reeks of sour grapes. TheBlackAdder Aug 2018 #38

+1 leftstreet Aug 2018 #46

Sour grapes? How so? George II Aug 2018 #48

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That doesn't answer my questions. But you're great at attempting to read my mind. George II Aug 2018 #52

Yup. n/t progressoid Aug 2018 #65

We have a winner! nt Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2018 #49

Yet Democrats held Obama's feet to the fire ad nauseum. nt sheshe2 Aug 2018 #140

Fact checking surprise: only 5% hold 2 jobs? GusBob Aug 2018 #40

The curious thing is that when someone holds two jobs that person is "employed".... George II Aug 2018 #50

I believe the idea is comparing unemployment with underemployment. theaocp Aug 2018 #110

No, she was talking about reasons why the unemployment rate has dropped. George II Aug 2018 #111

No, she was talking about reasons why the unemployment rate has dropped. George II Aug 2018 #112

It's not meant to be taken as fact. It's meant to make a point about income inequality. Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Aug 2018 #41

What's concerning is she is using a Koch funded study to bolster her Democratic Socialist position. George II Aug 2018 #44

Its not concerning at all, and the numbers do show that it is a savings despite this Wapo nonsense. JCanete Aug 2018 #69

LOL, that's exactly the nonsense you just denied below. ucrdem Aug 2018 #77

Where have I contradicted myself? Place them side by side. What did I deny? JCanete Aug 2018 #78

You really should read through the entire report. George II Aug 2018 #114

You don't actually have to accept a reports findings to throw back the inconveneint JCanete Aug 2018 #130

That free funeral expense comment was frankly bizarre. R B Garr Aug 2018 #53

it may be the only way to get media coverage these days AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #55

That whole passage about Medicare for All and the Koch study sounds like total bullshit. JCanete Aug 2018 #68

Yes, it is total bullshit. That's the point. Using the Kochs to bash the ACA is disurbing. ucrdem Aug 2018 #70

She's pointing out that the Koch's hit job on Medicare for All JCanete Aug 2018 #71

No, that's not what she's pointing out. She's using the Kochs to sell medicare-for-all. ucrdem Aug 2018 #73

are you intentionally being obtuse? She literally says that their study isn't intended to JCanete Aug 2018 #74

Read the OP. nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #75

I did....what did I miss? JCanete Aug 2018 #76

this: "it shows that Medicare for all is actually much cheaper than the current system." ucrdem Aug 2018 #80

what the fuck? Are you serious? YOu think the Koch brothers are trying to bash the ACA by promoting JCanete Aug 2018 #81

The Kochs are out to kill the ACA, yes. She should NOT be helping them. nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #82

Again how on earth would promoting medicare for all help to kill the ACA. Lay out a scenario JCanete Aug 2018 #83

Hoo boy. ucrdem Aug 2018 #86

Americans have been conditioned for decades to hate taxes, of course. betsuni Aug 2018 #93

yeah, then we shoudn't buy into shitty wapo stories that continue to support that mythology. JCanete Aug 2018 #94

She's not trying to kill the ACA by pointing out that the Koch study shows mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #85

But the Kochs are, and she's helping them. ucrdem Aug 2018 #87

except that she's not. Except that this does not help them. That seems to be the part JCanete Aug 2018 #88

She's playing right into their hands. ucrdem Aug 2018 #89

but not teach me how this is doing that....okaaaay. but I could learn so much from you...right now. JCanete Aug 2018 #90

lmao... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #125

She shouldn't be bashing the ACA. ucrdem Aug 2018 #72

AOC is lucky Jamaal510 Aug 2018 #91

100% agree. OnDoutside Aug 2018 #92

She needs some polishing SkyDancer Aug 2018 #95

uh oh. Be well, Steve Leser, You had a good run here at the DU!! m-lekktor Aug 2018 #99

He disrupted poorly RandiFan1290 Aug 2018 #100

I'll miss him. redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #104

But Bernie Sanders was on Fox. betsuni Aug 2018 #109

He will be unflagged by the end of the day Autumn Aug 2018 #116

And then he'll be here complaining about the injustice of it all... redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #118

And AOC. She was off on a couple of things. What Democrats hasn't? Autumn Aug 2018 #119

Indeed, what Democrat hasn't? TiberiusB Aug 2018 #124

What does.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #127

Jury driven. A poster is Flagged for Review automatically after 5 hides. Autumn Aug 2018 #128

Thanks disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #131

Jury driven after 5 hides. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #129

Thanks disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #132

3 in this thread it appears. ucrdem Aug 2018 #142

And I think I prefer it that way. I'll take "people's justice" over "king's justice" any day. redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #153

why are you campaigning against her? bigtree Aug 2018 #102

Here they are again? pwb Aug 2018 #105

The article didn't bash her like you did berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #103

I lulz'd KG Aug 2018 #106

BYE. SixString Aug 2018 #108

Washington Post... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #115

DU rec!! Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #120

Oh my melman Aug 2018 #122

There is some nit picking going on here and Corporate Dems seem reluctant to accept AOC. theophilus Aug 2018 #123

Just Remember its hers to lose..... Historic NY Aug 2018 #126

Fact checking is a good thing and here the facts do not back AOC's claims Gothmog Aug 2018 #135

She's basically using RW talking points to bash the ACA. ucrdem Aug 2018 #143

Golly! Why ever would the world's richest man Nevernose Aug 2018 #160

Kick. Because I love this thread. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #162

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... Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #167

That is so mean. redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #168

I'm a meanie. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #171

That's the entire point. Her job is to move the Overton window Recursion Aug 2018 #166

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