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vi5

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16. What really gets to me....
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:26 AM
Aug 2018

Last edited Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:41 AM - Edit history (1)

...is that since the beginning of the W years, I've been screaming to my more "sensible" allies in our party and people generally left of center that what the Republican party was doing was heading us toward fascism and trying to undo all the advances of the last 30 years. I said we need to be stronger in the ways we fight. Not violence strong, but stronger through the established channels than our side has had a history of being the past 20 years. Those people told me I was just being extremist and alarmist. They continually poo-pooed me and insisted that we have to be "better than the crazies on the other side" and that the system would work and the checks and balances of power would work.

Well after 20 years of taking the high road here we are with fascism not just at our door but in our house and pissing all over the furniture, and these same people who didn't want to listen to me and others like me are still insisting that we can fight this scourge with nice conversation over tea and cookies and that if we just let Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi do their nice, polite jobs that all of this bad stuff will go away on it's own and we don't need to do anything that David brooks would deem uncivil.

I'm likely as safe a demographic as they come right now, but I'll be goddamned if I'll sit by and wait for all the nice, safe, established institutions of power which have already failed my brothers and sisters in the various marginalized communities to come along and save the day.

I actually think D_Master81 Aug 2018 #1
I was going to say the same thing genxlib Aug 2018 #3
If you're counting on the police to be the bulwark Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #5
Who said that genxlib Aug 2018 #12
Peaceful protesters only started showing up in Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #25
Antifa are assholes? You know that stands for anti-fascists, right? brush Aug 2018 #23
I think i miscommunicated my intent genxlib Aug 2018 #24
Are you aware that it was Antifa who did Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #4
Too many folks have been convinced.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #19
Definitely more of a factor than ANTIFA's comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #27
They're both important. Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #31
I think ANTIFA's propensity for seet brawling comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #32
If you can manage to get all those sensible, level- headed Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #35
I don't like any kind of violent acts, that makes us look bad. Organizers should warn brewens Aug 2018 #43
Thanks. That was definitely well worth reading. lamp_shade Aug 2018 #2
Lol n equals 1 is not an experiment Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #6
What does Antifa say, does it agree? eShirl Aug 2018 #7
Antifa isn't a legit group. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #36
Heather Heyer calls bullshit. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #8
Who do think Heather aligned with that day?? disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #11
Hard for me to take this questions seriously. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #15
She was there to protest AGAINST Nazis .. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #17
+1 nt Javaman Aug 2018 #22
I equated nothing as you claim. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #37
You most certainly have. Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #42
Neither was this man or any of his congregation Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #33
Then why would HH agree with the first paragraph of this article in any way? NCTraveler Aug 2018 #38
I don't claim to speak for HH Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #41
You actually think you're qualified to speak for a dead Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #29
Yes, I do. When it comes to the shit show that this article is. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #39
Well, you don't. Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #40
No it doesn't. Squinch Aug 2018 #9
Yeah, it still won't convince our own homegrown "both sides" types on DU and elsewhere... vi5 Aug 2018 #10
Well said.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #13
What really gets to me.... vi5 Aug 2018 #16
I hear ya.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #18
+1 nt Javaman Aug 2018 #21
They have caused millions on property damage in Portlamd over the last few years. CentralMass Aug 2018 #14
Nor do I. potone Aug 2018 #28
K&R.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #20
K&R. No place for fascism, no patience for the far right, and no time for reactionary politics. ck4829 Aug 2018 #26
Most of the people involved in last year's rally have either been arrested or they're in hiding. Initech Aug 2018 #30
Can we stop referring to "Antifa" as if it's a real thing? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #34
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