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Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:12 AM Aug 2018

Congressional Black Caucus chair blasts proposed superdelegate changes [View all]

I support the CBC on this https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/politics/congressman-blasts-superdelegate-changes-democrats/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-08-14T13%3A16%3A05

The chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus blasted proposed changes to Democratic "superdelegate" rules that would limit their ability to vote on the first ballot for the party's presidential nominees.

In a letter to Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez dated Monday, Louisiana Rep. Cedric Richmond wrote on behalf of "many" of his colleagues in the caucus to urge him to withdraw support of the changes to be voted on at the party's meeting at the end of the month.

"There should be enough room in the process to include the perspective of local party activists and officials, and Members of Congress. One group should not be harmed at the expense of the other," Richmond wrote. "Passage of the reforms in their current form would disenfranchise elected officials for no substantive reason and would create unnecessary competition between those elected and their constituents."

The proposed plan -- known as the "third way plus" option -- does not allow superdelegates to vote at the convention for the presidential nominee on the first ballot unless a candidate has been certified to have earned a majority of the entire convention through pledged delegates only. This ensures superdelegates could not change the outcome of the nomination process on the first ballot, which detractors of the plan point out has never happened since they were created in the 1980s.
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Me too JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #1
Majority rules. Not a privileged minority of superdelegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #3
Superdelegates did not change anything in the real world Gothmog Aug 2018 #4
So why have them? Is it just a form of flattery? Is it to feed their egos? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #8
again, you did not even vote for the democratic party nominee in 2016 JI7 Aug 2018 #23
A lot of people did not vote for the Democratic Party nominee in 2016. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #24
I'm in california , she won huge because of people like me that voted JI7 Aug 2018 #25
Big margin of victory for Hillary in California. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #167
How many doors did you knock? Calls made? Money raised? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #248
Did you vote for Hillary in the General? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #108
she won't answer that question heaven05 Aug 2018 #189
No surprise. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #197
You sound sincere in stating your position and probably are, Hortensis Aug 2018 #165
The superdelegate concept represents the ultimate in conceit and heavyhandedness. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #168
I can't blame someone for trying to trash MY VOTE Hortensis Aug 2018 #169
Well Put Me. Aug 2018 #241
DID you vote heaven05 Aug 2018 #188
They are leaders of the party who worked hard to get elected Gothmog Aug 2018 #31
I am 75 and started working on campaigns when I was very young. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #186
So in addition to not voting for our party's nominee, you have not worked on a campaign in Gothmog Aug 2018 #196
I was extremely active in the Obama campaigns, the Kerry campaign, etc. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #201
No, my assumptions have been proven correct by your posts Gothmog Aug 2018 #219
What we do not need are caucuses, the modern-day version of the old smoke-filled rooms, pnwmom Aug 2018 #293
I been a Democratic volunteer for 44 years. I am not insulted. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #98
I am 75, and I have been a volunteer for more than 45 years although I lived Sophia4 Aug 2018 #187
You said "superdelegates are an insult to volunteers". lapucelle Aug 2018 #247
We have them to guard against a trump-type candidate brush Aug 2018 #176
Republicans would never have dared to vote or work against Trump in 2016. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #191
They actually DID work against Trump until he won. Why rewrite history? bettyellen Aug 2018 #194
He won. Do you really think that Republicans would not have won the electoral college Sophia4 Aug 2018 #199
You're a broken record. You don't know any of that. You just keep repeating yourself. brush Aug 2018 #204
I DO know it. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #206
What? You have a crystal ball into the past that tells you how repugs... brush Aug 2018 #215
I have logic and experience. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #261
Hahahahaha! brush Aug 2018 #262
Did you vote Democratic Party heaven05 Aug 2018 #258
Why are you asking? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #260
Didn't have to heaven05 Aug 2018 #263
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #190
Wikipedia on the history of superdelegates. They are a more recent idea than you would think. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #195
And they have the right to vote in their own primaries Bettie Aug 2018 #99
Well - I'm a county committee elected official JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #12
I agree about the caucuses. Are you a paid official? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #14
Oh please just stop. Everyone does have one vote. boston bean Aug 2018 #45
But Super Delegates get a vote they don't earn. It's as if they get two votes. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #56
Umm no every single delegate gets a vote. boston bean Aug 2018 #60
Super delegates are not elected. They vote as delegates without being elected by the Sophia4 Aug 2018 #63
Delegates are nominated by people at the party level. boston bean Aug 2018 #64
Delegates are bound by the voters unlike superdelegates Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #130
Actually, no, they aren't. Pledged delegates are not bound. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #132
Regardless, they are generally already a supporter of that person Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #134
Their purpose is to serve as a failsafe and to put someone over 2382 when a race is close. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #137
Well then we are in agreement Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #138
No, no strawman. They are people who vote at the convention on behalf of others. boston bean Aug 2018 #157
I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Aug 2018 #221
You are wrong Gothmog Aug 2018 #220
Can you argue for that? Recursion Aug 2018 #52
The Democratic Party should support and defend the idea of one vote, one person Sophia4 Aug 2018 #53
Do you really think that this concept applies? Gothmog Aug 2018 #88
You do realize that no one votes for a delegates directly Gothmog Aug 2018 #87
Sounds a lot like democracy!! I'm all for it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #126
How many African American Senators do we have? Governors? Presidents? pnwmom Aug 2018 #292
It's a democratic election. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #2
Members of the CBC are party leaders and deserve a seat at the table Gothmog Aug 2018 #5
Amen. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #6
I and all the other party members who do the leg-work, who make the calls, who talk Sophia4 Aug 2018 #7
Do you really think that members of the CBC are lazy? Gothmog Aug 2018 #9
No less lazy than voters who get up early, travel rain or shine, stand in line to vote in primaries Sophia4 Aug 2018 #10
Have you ever worked on a campaign in the real world? Gothmog Aug 2018 #33
you didn't even vote for the party nominee Clinton in 2016 JI7 Aug 2018 #20
You know nothing about me. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #21
Hillary won most votes without superdelegates alsoi and you did not vote for the nominee JI7 Aug 2018 #22
Who I voted or did not vote for has nothing to do with superdelegates Sophia4 Aug 2018 #61
Actually if you didn't vote for Clinton in the general, your point is moot. JHan Aug 2018 #171
Yes! George II Aug 2018 #198
Great post Gothmog Aug 2018 #222
Oh wow JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #228
Most articulate post I have seen in a long time. I hope you didin't confuse anyone with the facts. still_one Aug 2018 #229
+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #232
WowEE ZowEE Me. Aug 2018 #235
KABOOM! SunSeeker Aug 2018 #255
if you "did not vote for HRC in the general, heaven05 Aug 2018 #257
+100 Hekate Aug 2018 #268
Thank you for this post Gothmog Aug 2018 #290
Of course we know you by your posts, and your posts have said you didn't R B Garr Aug 2018 #26
If the superdelegates don't make a difference in the outcome of the election, then Sophia4 Aug 2018 #59
Your posts are how we know you. For instance, your posts on this thread R B Garr Aug 2018 #68
The Democratic Party can end the custom of superdelegates as well as the caucuses Sophia4 Aug 2018 #69
That is still no excuse to spread misinformation about superdelegates. R B Garr Aug 2018 #72
Superdelegates are an attempt to rig the system. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #73
There is no history of superdelegates rigging the system, so the abuse R B Garr Aug 2018 #75
Then, why have superdelegates? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #183
Okay, this is sounding very strange now. It is not based in logic other than R B Garr Aug 2018 #212
That is not true at all. It's a smear against the Democratic Party. bettyellen Aug 2018 #78
Is the Democratic Party some perfect entity that cannot be improved? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #181
Just stop it. Super delegates are a fail safe against a trump-like nominee. brush Aug 2018 #177
The candidate who won the most votes did not need the superdelegates to win the Sophia4 Aug 2018 #178
You keep repeating the same crappola over and over without... brush Aug 2018 #179
Trump would not have been stopped by superdelegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #180
You don't know that trump would not have been stopped so stop pretending you do. brush Aug 2018 #182
You don't know that Trump would have been stopped by superdelegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #184
That's done at the state level. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2018 #152
At least as far as the ending of caucuses. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #153
You are the one spreading misinformation leading to "misunderstandings and controversies" yet you bettyellen Aug 2018 #202
What is Tapas? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #207
Weird spell correction. Why do YOU spread the misinformation and then use it as justification? bettyellen Aug 2018 #210
Hall and Oates is one of my favorite singing duos... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #291
So you think that the CBC is wrong. Why do you think that you know more than they do ehrnst Aug 2018 #172
It is not the entire CBC Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #174
Thank you, but that question was directed to Sophia4, not the OP. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #175
Please clarify if you voted for Hillary Clinton in the general election Gothmog Aug 2018 #42
I'm in California. I voted my conscience as I expect every other voter to do. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #58
Voting is about what's best for society, not selfishness. betsuni Aug 2018 #83
That poster is attacking the party when they are not a real democrat Gothmog Aug 2018 #269
This almost sounds like you didn't vote for the Democratic candidate in the 2016 general election. lapucelle Aug 2018 #86
That is my reading of this response also Gothmog Aug 2018 #94
It's troubling to say the least. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #96
I, like all Americans, vote for the candidate that I believe is the best for my country. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #170
You think that Democratic primaries are a "a joke" and you ehrnst Aug 2018 #106
You voted for Hillary actually Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #128
A "scent of unfairness " is a fact how exactly? bettyellen Aug 2018 #44
How is it not a fact? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #57
You are accusing Dems of dishonesty and corruption. Wow. Something smells alright. bettyellen Aug 2018 #65
Actually the Democrats are right in this case. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #125
"Actually the Democrats are right in this case." lapucelle Aug 2018 #158
Freudian. George II Aug 2018 #162
These are proposed changes. lapucelle Aug 2018 #159
It's actually pure propaganda like you are spreading here that is intended to R B Garr Aug 2018 #79
You mean like they do in the Vermont Senate race? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #107
The persons who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton are not good democrats Gothmog Aug 2018 #200
Your opinion is noted. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #205
I am active in the party in the real world Gothmog Aug 2018 #217
You keep fabricating catastrophic results of superdelegates where none exist. R B Garr Aug 2018 #30
I am simply expressing my opinion. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #272
Your scenarios aren't real, though. So having an R B Garr Aug 2018 #276
I am entitled to my opinion and don't need to be harassed about it. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #281
This is a message board. If you are posting false scenarios R B Garr Aug 2018 #284
Did I read upthread that you did not vote for the Democratic nominee in the 2016 GE? lapucelle Aug 2018 #80
Why ask? I haven't asked you who you voted for. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #273
Staunch Democrats vote for Democratic nominees in presidential elections. lapucelle Aug 2018 #275
California voted strongly for Trump. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #277
No one is picking on you, and you are not California. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #278
I am curious as to whether you have ever worked in a real campaign? Gothmog Aug 2018 #93
I have worked in numerous real campaigns. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #274
We may have a different framework as to what it means to work on a campaign Gothmog Aug 2018 #279
Texas tends to vote Republican. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #282
Texas is not a red state but a non-voting state Gothmog Aug 2018 #285
Good luck in Texas. We will have to agree to disagree on super delegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #287
Again, you do not understand the process Gothmog Aug 2018 #289
Something doesn't feel heaven05 Aug 2018 #193
I support the Democratic Party and do not want to hurt the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #270
Truthfully JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #16
And that was the intent of the rules back in the 70's LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #27
THANK! YOU! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #62
I am friends with two members of the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #95
An they didn't express and opinion in the OP, only the chairman did Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #100
Neither of these two members of the CBC had any kind things to say about sanders Gothmog Aug 2018 #110
We are not talking about Sanders, we are talking about a rule change Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #135
The rule change is only being proposed because sanders' feelings were hurt Gothmog Aug 2018 #140
Then why didn't these upset members express an opinion with the chairman? Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #141
They have through the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #146
One seat? Or 10,000 seats? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #120
Agreed - and that's why you need to get on board JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #13
Thanks. I'm in California where we have primaries. Caucuses are unfair to working Sophia4 Aug 2018 #15
Caucuses should be gone. But they have nothing to do with the popular vote. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #28
IDK. I'm more and more in favor of smoke-filled rooms Recursion Aug 2018 #37
Smoke filled rooms were OK when communication was poor, back in the 19th century. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #66
Parties don't have a responsibility to be democracies though Recursion Aug 2018 #81
And as they have never reversed the will of the primary voters, what good has it done? mythology Aug 2018 #133
Should delegates also not be free to switch after the first round? Recursion Aug 2018 #156
You do realize that no one votes for a delegates directly Gothmog Aug 2018 #97
We vote for a list of delegates to the convention here in California. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #155
Those are delegates to state convention Gothmog Aug 2018 #164
Like Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson? joshcryer Aug 2018 #154
did you call ALL members heaven05 Aug 2018 #192
"Third Way Plus"? Just call it "Superfluous Fluff" oasis Aug 2018 #11
The only way one group could be harmed is if superdelegates decide the nomination mythology Aug 2018 #17
I agree. Ace Rothstein Aug 2018 #218
So they don't vote on the first tally Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #18
Members of the CBC are more important to the party than people pushing this rule change Gothmog Aug 2018 #34
The proposed change only stops a first round vote Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #36
Again these are leaders of the party who are more important to the party than sanders supporters Gothmog Aug 2018 #39
Otherwise known as "democrats" zipplewrath Aug 2018 #49
I guess we are back to "ha ha we don't need your votes!" Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #103
How is Our Revolution doing lately? Gothmog Aug 2018 #114
Um zipplewrath Aug 2018 #117
Their candidates are winning Gothmog Aug 2018 #118
I know what you mean zipplewrath Aug 2018 #115
Actually you have never really heard how it would R B Garr Aug 2018 #143
+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #149
What "40% of the Democratic electorate" would that be? ehrnst Aug 2018 #173
And yet these so-called leaders want to hurt the party by punishing the CBC? Gothmog Aug 2018 #113
Punishing? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #116
These are elected leaders of the party who represent an important demographic Gothmog Aug 2018 #119
Fine, the state parties can select minorities as regular delegates MichMan Aug 2018 #124
Which results in a new reduction of the delegates each states have Gothmog Aug 2018 #214
That is a completely different argument for keeping superdelegates MichMan Aug 2018 #239
Each state has an allocated number of regular delegate slots Gothmog Aug 2018 #265
So are the people voting for this zipplewrath Aug 2018 #209
I Stand With The CBC Me. Aug 2018 #19
Why should Sanders even determine the rules? LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #29
That The Question That Needs To Be Answered Me. Aug 2018 #32
I support the leaders of the party in the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #40
I'm a party member that voted for Hillary in the general election Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #55
Did Sanders vote for this? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #46
I Am Not A Member Of The DNC Me. Aug 2018 #47
But didn't this pass? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #48
No Me. Aug 2018 #50
We'll see if it passes zipplewrath Aug 2018 #76
why? JCanete Aug 2018 #51
Sanders is the one pushing for these changes which is amusing Gothmog Aug 2018 #163
How does he "push" when he isn't there? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #208
Do you really believe this? Gothmog Aug 2018 #216
Sorta zipplewrath Aug 2018 #233
I know some CBC members and will try to ask if I get a chance Gothmog Aug 2018 #237
It was zipplewrath Aug 2018 #234
All of the materials that I have seen is that it is sanders and his followers pushing this Gothmog Aug 2018 #236
Okay. MaryELease Aug 2018 #35
the 30% would have 90 Senators dsc Aug 2018 #38
Funny thing about privilege. People don't like it when others have it but like it when it jalan48 Aug 2018 #41
I'm not sure how giving disproportionate power to people annointed with it is reasonable to him. JCanete Aug 2018 #43
I support the CBC. That is all. nt. spicysista Aug 2018 #54
What does that mean in this context? whatever a member of CBC says you are automatically on board? JCanete Aug 2018 #67
Wow! spicysista Aug 2018 #71
I'm not comforable with Bee's framing at all. She literally led up to it with talking about Carter JCanete Aug 2018 #74
Needless to say, I disagree with your claims Gothmog Aug 2018 #225
needless to say, you didnt' address any of my points, convincing me that I should reconsider, with JCanete Aug 2018 #226
I did but the fact that you did not understand my response is not my problem Gothmog Aug 2018 #238
you refuted 0 points I made. I mean, tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself, JCanete Aug 2018 #249
The fact that you think that you raised points amuses me greatly Gothmog Aug 2018 #250
Okay, for whatever reasons you want to have this conversation without actually having a conversation JCanete Aug 2018 #252
Make a real argument or use facts to back your amusing claims Gothmog Aug 2018 #253
Goth facts...: cut and paste for any discussion. JCanete Aug 2018 #254
Come visit the real world Gothmog Aug 2018 #256
when an OR candidate loses by a small margin it isn't making a difference, it is "failing" JCanete Aug 2018 #259
How is a non-democrat running against a real democrat making a difference? Gothmog Aug 2018 #264
Sanders isn't a huge departure from Clinton on policy either. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #246
This was a well done and accurate explanation of super delegates Gothmog Aug 2018 #223
Sam is great! spicysista Aug 2018 #227
She is always great Gothmog Aug 2018 #231
I, too, stand with the CBC, and not with those who seek to dilute the power of elected minorities... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #70
Note this is only the Chairman's opinion, not the entire CBC Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #77
How do you know this? Do you know any members of the CBC? Gothmog Aug 2018 #203
They are not in the OP YOU posted Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #211
So you do not have any proof for this silly claim Gothmog Aug 2018 #213
Back up your claim Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #224
The super delegate just says to the other person running MyNameGoesHere Aug 2018 #82
Honestly, these comments..... spicysista Aug 2018 #84
It is like those myths we hold onto even in the face of evidence. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #90
Exactly! spicysista Aug 2018 #91
Is the number of regular delegates reduced by having superdelegates? MichMan Aug 2018 #85
No Gothmog Aug 2018 #92
Why couldn't that same state be awarded more regular delegates instead? MichMan Aug 2018 #104
That is not how the allocation process works Gothmog Aug 2018 #109
I'm willing to bet elimination will lead to fewer regular delegates. KitSileya Aug 2018 #144
Superdelegates, like caucuses, are undemocratic relics of the past. It is also extremely asinine tritsofme Aug 2018 #89
Superdelegates can do one of two things........ Takket Aug 2018 #101
Elected officials also increase the influence of states that elect democrats to office Gothmog Aug 2018 #112
Right they should not exist. I support the Democratic party's decision in this. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #121
Sign me up for supporting the super delegates too. Old Terp Aug 2018 #102
Superdelegates are anti-Democratic Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #105
Who votes for super delegates in the real world? Gothmog Aug 2018 #111
You were a bound delegate. Very different from what an unbound superdelegate was. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #123
LOL-you clearly do not understand the rules at all Gothmog Aug 2018 #139
You stand correct. However pledged delegates are far more democratic than superdelegates. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #142
Not really Gothmog Aug 2018 #145
I guess this sort of explains why they prefer caucuses to primaries: George II Aug 2018 #160
I was so glad that the Texas got rid of the Texas two step Gothmog Aug 2018 #161
+1 SkyDancer Aug 2018 #127
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #185
Tom Perez is not a great representative for the democratic party. Kajun Gal Aug 2018 #129
The local party activists and officials, and Members of Congress can all have one vote like the rest CentralMass Aug 2018 #131
Get rid of caucuses and I wouldn't object to the new rule. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #136
DNC rule change angers Sanders supporters Gothmog Aug 2018 #147
So No Cut & Run In The Future? Me. Aug 2018 #240
Yep Gothmog Aug 2018 #242
Excellent Me. Aug 2018 #243
Here is the letter from the head of the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #148
I bet if they changed the name to "regular delegate" they'd get less flack. ucrdem Aug 2018 #150
They are not called super delegates in the party rules Gothmog Aug 2018 #166
The official term being unpledged? How about "standing"? ucrdem Aug 2018 #244
All delegates are not bound and can vote for anyone Gothmog Aug 2018 #251
That is simply shameful. ucrdem Aug 2018 #266
In normal campaigns, delegates are carefully vetted by the candidates Gothmog Aug 2018 #267
Did you ever see "On the Waterfront"? ucrdem Aug 2018 #280
I stand with the CBC on this. LisaM Aug 2018 #151
It's hard giving up establishment power. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #230
Eliminate superdelegates, eliminate caucauses, and close the primaries. Devil Child Aug 2018 #245
California DNC Member Suggests Superdelegate Reform Is Part Of Russian Plot Gothmog Aug 2018 #271
I think everyone's vote should be equal. Vinca Aug 2018 #283
How does this apply? Gothmog Aug 2018 #286
My state is a good example of why this irks the heck out of me. Vinca Aug 2018 #288
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