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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
10. Exactly.
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 11:38 AM
Sep 2018

I view the group behind the NY Times op-ed, etc, in the context of group behavior as explained by Erich Fromm in several of his books. The willingness to accept and participate in some "bad," while excusing those behaviors as a mere part of an effort to do some ill-defined "good." And we should be fully aware of the consequences of that mind-set.

We witness another version of it when Democrats say, "Boy, 'ole George W sure spanked Trump in his speech at McCain's funeral." Yet Bush and his ilk are not our friends. No, they stole the 2000 election. They inflicted the neoconservative war in Iraq on the world. And some of them -- Pence and Bolton, for example -- are anti-Trump. They wish to have another Cheney administration. They are not our friends or allies.

What we need to do is to take advantage of the cracks within the republican party. There are some sane republicans at the grass roots level, that do not like Trump nor Cheney. Appeals to them is a good thing. But anything beyond that should be limited to placing pressure on the fractures in the party, designed to render it as weak as possible. And, at this point, the potential is there.

The independent voters, and those groups that did not turn out in 2016 as they had for President Obama, are the "undecideds" that we must appeal to for November. And that is actually a substantial number of voters. Though not all are the usual "undecided" voting population, our campaigns must help them make the only correct decision: vote for the Democratic candidates.

Deepening State [View all] H2O Man Sep 2018 OP
Always an excellent read, H2O Man. When you bring up Hamlet, though... Hekate Sep 2018 #1
How big will the stage be, though. malthaussen Sep 2018 #2
Right! H2O Man Sep 2018 #7
I can't shake the notion that the Op-Ed is by Woodward eleny Sep 2018 #9
It was well-coordinated. H2O Man Sep 2018 #12
Regardless of who released the information the content is frightening eleny Sep 2018 #16
Very interesting. H2O Man Sep 2018 #18
Hartmann isn't asserting a crisis if the Constitution is followed eleny Sep 2018 #19
Right. H2O Man Sep 2018 #21
It's hard to believe there are still any "undecideds," malthaussen Sep 2018 #3
I am in awe of the intelligence and knowledge of this general forum and, of course, erronis Sep 2018 #5
Exactly. H2O Man Sep 2018 #10
"I view the group behind the NY Times op-ed..." ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #22
This is a well done piece on journalism, imo. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #4
Ah, I can relate H2O Man Sep 2018 #11
Your OP turned out to be prescient coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #6
Odd, that. H2O Man Sep 2018 #13
I'll bet you coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #15
There are times H2O Man Sep 2018 #17
No way I agree with this paragraph: coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #20
I'll say it again coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #23
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #8
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2018 #14
+++++ I'll be giving it a read this weekend. JHan Sep 2018 #24
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