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H2O Man

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18. Very interesting.
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 01:05 PM
Sep 2018

I have great respect for Thom Hartman. In this instance, I would suggest a slightly different variation on this …..it is still an incomplete coup, in process. I'd compare the op-ed to the messages that the military generals were sending to the US in the summer and early fall of 1963, saying they were prepared to remove Diem from office if they got the okay signal. That was part of a coup in process.

If we took the worst parts of Diem's personality, and combined it with his brother's ruthless brutality and sister-in-law's evil, we can see how these generals came to their decision to remove the sociopathic leadership. Yet, within the military, there were plenty of soldiers willing to follow that leadership. And that coup, once completed, created a vacuum that allowed for various other terrible factions to gain power.

As you point out, our Constitution allows for the orderly removal of a president. There are two options found there. It is curious that anyone would hold that following the Constitution would create a "constitutional crisis." A rational person might conclude that failing to follow the Constitution can only result in crises.

And yes, Woodward knows who submitted the op-ed. The Times editors needed five days to clear it in advance of its being released, and it was agreed it would run the day after the Washington Post released the bits from Woodward's book.

Deepening State [View all] H2O Man Sep 2018 OP
Always an excellent read, H2O Man. When you bring up Hamlet, though... Hekate Sep 2018 #1
How big will the stage be, though. malthaussen Sep 2018 #2
Right! H2O Man Sep 2018 #7
I can't shake the notion that the Op-Ed is by Woodward eleny Sep 2018 #9
It was well-coordinated. H2O Man Sep 2018 #12
Regardless of who released the information the content is frightening eleny Sep 2018 #16
Very interesting. H2O Man Sep 2018 #18
Hartmann isn't asserting a crisis if the Constitution is followed eleny Sep 2018 #19
Right. H2O Man Sep 2018 #21
It's hard to believe there are still any "undecideds," malthaussen Sep 2018 #3
I am in awe of the intelligence and knowledge of this general forum and, of course, erronis Sep 2018 #5
Exactly. H2O Man Sep 2018 #10
"I view the group behind the NY Times op-ed..." ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #22
This is a well done piece on journalism, imo. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #4
Ah, I can relate H2O Man Sep 2018 #11
Your OP turned out to be prescient coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #6
Odd, that. H2O Man Sep 2018 #13
I'll bet you coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #15
There are times H2O Man Sep 2018 #17
No way I agree with this paragraph: coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #20
I'll say it again coeur_de_lion Sep 2018 #23
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #8
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2018 #14
+++++ I'll be giving it a read this weekend. JHan Sep 2018 #24
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