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pnwmom

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43. What do you think about an 18 year old senior being paddled to the point of bleeding
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:07 AM
Sep 2018

because she left the school to get breakfast?

She was a legal adult and when they said they were going to beat her she tried to withdraw from the school -- which was her right, as an adult. But they held her down and beat her to the point where she had to go to the hospital.

The Supreme Court considered the case and decided it was fine. They've decided that other egregious cases that put kids in hospitals were fine, too.

And there was no recourse for the victim or their parents; and no consequences for the abusive adults.

This is what happens when you give that kind of power to authority figures. Some WILL abuse it.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/school_law/2008/06/the_supreme_court_and_corporal.html

Serafin says in court papers that when principal Brett Wilkinson sought to paddle her on that day in June 2004, she asked to withdraw herself from the school instead. Her request was refused, and two school employees helped restrain Serafin while the principal began paddling her. After the first strike, Serafin freed one of her hands, which was struck by the paddle. The principal allegedly told her, "That hit didn't count," and he struck her again, according to the former student's account. Serafin called her mother and left the school after the paddling, which left her buttocks bleeding and her hand swollen, according to court papers. She was treated at a hospital emergency room.


https://www.myplainview.com/news/article/18-year-old-student-sues-over-paddling-8675429.php

Serafin says the summer school principal, who is a named defendant in the lawsuit, hit her three or four times. She said she tried to block one of the blows and the paddle "smashed her hand."

"I started screaming because I thought he had broke my hand," she said.

Serafin said she went to the hospital because she could hardly walk after school and her hand was severely swollen. Her hand was put in a cast at the emergency room.

State law allows parents to spank their minor children if the parent "reasonably believes the force is necessary to discipline the child or to safeguard or promote his welfare." But the law does not allow parents to use force on children who are 18 or older, Hargove said.

Georgia school to bring back paddling [View all] Ferrets are Cool Sep 2018 OP
1/3 Dorian Gray Sep 2018 #1
Those would be the ones who voted for Phoenix61 Sep 2018 #2
Yes. But let's note, 2/3 of the parents say NO. Hortensis Sep 2018 #3
2/3 have not returned consent forms. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #47
You're absolutely right, of course. Hortensis Sep 2018 #49
And, sadly, the other 2/3 did not remove their kids from the school. GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #4
That 1/3 are probably Christians Mariana Sep 2018 #22
"I was paddled in school. Never did me any harm. In fact, it did me some good." Different Drummer Sep 2018 #24
The alternative is a 5-day suspension. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #48
WTF? hunter Sep 2018 #57
Lots of teens get paddled, all over the country (mostly the south). Every day. pnwmom Sep 2018 #64
I was teaching in the 'eighties and it was emphasized repeatedly to NEVER touch a child. hunter Sep 2018 #76
You must have been a joy to raise! pnwmom Sep 2018 #77
My own kids paid it forward and my dear mom laughs whenever I whine to her about it. hunter Sep 2018 #78
Well, I'm glad you -- and your long suffering mom -- survived! pnwmom Sep 2018 #80
Principals of high schools. Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #74
That's astonishing. I had no idea anyone would even think of doing that. It's assault. Vinca Sep 2018 #5
There are still public school systems which allow it obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #12
That principal sounds like a pervert. Blue_true Sep 2018 #41
Really? MarvinGardens Sep 2018 #56
I went to a small school in the early grades where there was paddling Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #6
I was in a small school in NYC in the '60s where they had... TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #10
I didn't realize it was so prevalent even back then Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #44
It was used in my junior high school during the sixties. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2018 #54
Bad idea. Period. Guilded Lilly Sep 2018 #7
Unbelievable TEB Sep 2018 #8
So send in the folks who check on families greymattermom Sep 2018 #9
If it is illegal to do it to an adult, it should be illegal to do it to a minor obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #11
Most common punishments would be more serious crimes if done to an adult. MarvinGardens Sep 2018 #58
It is child abuse, period. n/t demmiblue Sep 2018 #13
Paddling should be a part of every school - milestogo Sep 2018 #14
What if there isn't enough water nearby Bettie Sep 2018 #18
Then you take a field trip, as far as necessary. milestogo Sep 2018 #38
I guess you didn't see that documentary about canoeing in Georgia. sl8 Sep 2018 #83
I didn't recognize that at first... milestogo Sep 2018 #91
What morons. Disgusting. Trueblue Texan Sep 2018 #15
Hitting children is wrong. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #16
I would never consent to this Bettie Sep 2018 #17
Paddling a 9th grader? SkyDancer Sep 2018 #19
When my daughter was in high school her boyfriend got paddled for swearing in class- and this was Luciferous Sep 2018 #32
That is seriously messed up SkyDancer Sep 2018 #40
Yeah I thought she was messing with me when she told me about it. Luciferous Sep 2018 #42
How about an 18 year old senior? And the case went to the Supreme Court in 2008 pnwmom Sep 2018 #45
I think it's a great idea... Callmecrazy Sep 2018 #20
That's what you think. I went to two schools with different policies during the same time period, pnwmom Sep 2018 #21
Well, Crazy, it's too bad science doesn't back you up. kcr Sep 2018 #23
I cant help but wonder what RACE has to do with this story. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #52
Let me give you the OTHER side of your sweet little scenerio... Ferrets are Cool Sep 2018 #25
Can you show causation between corporal punishment and respect by children? LanternWaste Sep 2018 #28
I select #2. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #30
And if this is such a good idea, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #29
That's crazy and wrong on every level. Pain, fear and humiliation are the seeds of sado/masochists BeckyDem Sep 2018 #33
I'm sitting here reliving the abuse I received at the hands of a teacher lisby Sep 2018 #34
I sympathize with you shanti Sep 2018 #84
I agree with you. Doreen Sep 2018 #35
What do you think about an 18 year old senior being paddled to the point of bleeding pnwmom Sep 2018 #43
That is of course wrong. Doreen Sep 2018 #50
Why is it OK for an adult to hit a kid and not another adult? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #60
Probably because the adult might hit back! StarryNite Sep 2018 #81
Exactly. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #82
Well, as I said, the Supreme Court recognizes no distinction between what happened with her pnwmom Sep 2018 #63
School officials often make "wrong choices" about paddling. Like paddling students who walked out pnwmom Sep 2018 #65
Jesus christ... Dorian Gray Sep 2018 #46
Your Screenname Is Most Apt ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #55
Shaming and pain don't teach respect; they teach fear. And that's a shitty idea. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #59
I understand that one school recently implemented had behavior problems NOSE DIVE. LBM20 Sep 2018 #85
"All it's going to do is make your kid into someone who beats their kids" shenmue Sep 2018 #26
Assault and child abuse? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #27
When we lived in Mississippi we had to sign an opt out form every school year, so this doesn't Luciferous Sep 2018 #31
charter school what do you expect dembotoz Sep 2018 #36
This happens in all types of public schools all over 19 states. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #66
Charter has a special kind of stupid dembotoz Sep 2018 #88
You know what d_r Sep 2018 #89
I haven't seen any evidence that they're more likely to use corporal punishment. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #90
but i have seen charters as being special stupid dembotoz Sep 2018 #92
*Awesome* Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #37
OK fine, but on one condition DFW Sep 2018 #39
Notice it's a charter school - time to take your kids back to traditional school! Coventina Sep 2018 #51
In 19 states it happens in regular public schools. pnwmom Sep 2018 #67
Want to paddle my daughter? Good luck. Codeine Sep 2018 #53
Dream on. There are reports of teenage BOYS being held down by multiple men, pnwmom Sep 2018 #68
Luckily that shit won't fly in California. Codeine Sep 2018 #72
It still happens every day in 19 states. kcr Sep 2018 #75
Hamilton County Tennessee (Chattanooga) d_r Sep 2018 #61
It's not even effective. SomethingNew Sep 2018 #62
It isn't effective at all. I moved from a state that allowed it, pnwmom Sep 2018 #69
Of course it isn't effective, but that isn't why they're doing it. Mariana Sep 2018 #71
I got many, MANY paddlings for being a smartass Codeine Sep 2018 #73
I went to a school like that in Brooklyn, NY ecstatic Sep 2018 #70
Easier and cheaper than teaching. Orsino Sep 2018 #79
People who want to paddle other people's kids are likely perverts. phleshdef Sep 2018 #86
Britain abolished corporal punishment in state schools in 1986.. LeftishBrit Sep 2018 #87
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