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DFW

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34. The Germans and the Dutch have a strained recent history
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:37 AM
Sep 2018

The German occupation of the Netherlands was a brutal one. There are all sorts of bureaucratic un-necessities that the Germans are trying to impose on the EU basically because German officials love bureaucracy and paperwork), and can't get it done because the Dutch used their veto. Germans imposing rules and regulations on Holland still leaves a nasty taste in Dutch mouths.

However, this does NOT extend to personal friendships, and we have MANY good friends in the Netherlands that we visit, have over, or even go on vacation with. I speak Dutch, so it's not a problem for me, but my wife doesn't understand all of it, and the accent gets hard for her to follow. It is not unusual for people in Holland to learn German--first because it is easy, but second, because anyone with a business will almost certainly come into contact with German customers who, even today, barge into stores and hotels in Holland and start speaking German without even asking if someone understands them.

Sometimes, the arrogance goes even farther. Thirty years ago, I used to play in a part-time folk music group called the "Holland-America Line," named because it was me and some Dutch guys. The fiddle player knew a grocery shop owner in Middleburg in Zeeland. One day, shortly after the war was over, a German tourist drove by, and showed his family the shop. The owner had to be restrained from killing the German. The German had killed the store owner's brother during the war, and had the audacity to show his family around just a few years later, as if murdering the shop owner's brother during the occupation had been some kind of temporary inconvenience. It was as if William Calley led his family on a walking tour of My Lai once American tourists were welcome in Vietnam after diplomatic relations had been restored. Some things you just don't do.

Thanks for voting TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #1
Hey I graduated from both P.A. Andover and the University of Pennsylvania DFW Sep 2018 #6
You have it. TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #11
I'm near the corner of Preston and Mockingbird DFW Sep 2018 #12
Feels good to do your part, doesn't it? Ohiogal Sep 2018 #2
I don't get down there much except to Miunich for working day trips DFW Sep 2018 #7
Next time you're in Coburg, head down to Bamberg bigbrother05 Sep 2018 #13
Bamberg is legendary DFW Sep 2018 #19
Bamberg is our 2nd hometown bigbrother05 Sep 2018 #23
I have cholesterol issues DFW Sep 2018 #25
Not sure, that might be why I had a stent done bigbrother05 Sep 2018 #32
I have two of them! DFW Sep 2018 #36
Dayum, DFW, you can't eat the Meatloaf Special and won't drink the beer! I laughed so hard... Hekate Sep 2018 #50
It's really one of those dishes that has to be tasted to be appreciated bigbrother05 Sep 2018 #56
What do they find so different about them? smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #18
I never asked them, but if my wife is any indication DFW Sep 2018 #24
It's interesting to observe regional differences, since many Americans think that smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #29
The Germans and the Dutch have a strained recent history DFW Sep 2018 #34
Thanks. I find stuff like this very interesting. panader0 Sep 2018 #39
LOL !! DFW Sep 2018 #42
Can't speak for DFW, but kind of New England vs Dixie bigbrother05 Sep 2018 #26
I guess so, I had only been to Munich in Bavaria, and that was during smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #31
That's a generalization that is often true, but far from always DFW Sep 2018 #35
Yes, I found that out. They found my pronunciation very strange. The Viennese were smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #48
Bavaria's like a second home to me. Bavorskoami Sep 2018 #40
Good for you! Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #3
We're working on it! DFW Sep 2018 #8
How long does it usually take to receive your absentee ballot? bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #4
I have no clue. The envelopes are not postmarked. DFW Sep 2018 #9
Fwaiting on mine,too. True Blue American Sep 2018 #16
I can't STAND Husted DFW Sep 2018 #27
I remember it well! Had to train True Blue American Sep 2018 #33
So, there are all sorts of advantages with living overseas... malthaussen Sep 2018 #5
Well, they are postpaid if mailed within the USA DFW Sep 2018 #10
Our last address was in AZ LittleGirl Sep 2018 #14
Thank you brother! mahina Sep 2018 #15
Na'u ka hau'oli ! DFW Sep 2018 #28
I sure hope Beto wins dalton99a Sep 2018 #17
That is truly awesome ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #20
Thank you for voting NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #21
So do I !! DFW Sep 2018 #30
Wohoo thanks for voting!!! Dem_4_Life Sep 2018 #22
Good for you, my dear DFW! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2018 #37
There will be a big ray of sunshine lighting up Texas if Beto is our next Senator DFW Sep 2018 #38
I'm envious NastyRiffraff Sep 2018 #41
I just got back from the post office DFW Sep 2018 #44
Thank you for voting NastyRiffraff Sep 2018 #45
To any Texas Democrat, it should be a given that we ALL vote this time. DFW Sep 2018 #47
So that's why every time I see your handle I think Dallas-Fort Worth! Hekate Sep 2018 #43
I did see his session with Colbert DFW Sep 2018 #46
Agree on all counts Hekate Sep 2018 #51
Way to go. Enjoy Octoberfest. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #49
And one more BlueTexasMan Sep 2018 #52
Good for you! One by one is how it's done DFW Sep 2018 #53
YAY...Good for you. Liberal In Texas Sep 2018 #54
This is the last time one can vote a straight ticket in Texas. efhmc Sep 2018 #55
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #57
A true patriot! Mark one down for the Blue Wave! Thank you. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #58
More trouble than expense DFW Sep 2018 #59
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