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In reply to the discussion: The Things Wrong With Dems [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)53. Oddly enough I see that sabotage from the other side...constantly going after liberals and their
progressive plans as offering unicorns does damage to those causes, and is outright false. If some of these things were unicorns, then the whole Democratic party just decided after the convention to believe in unicorns. Well how about that....
I agree with you that there is one brand of democratic vitriol that often seems to forget the GOP exists. It isn't nuanced and it assumes the worst of our politicians intentions. Some people oscillate on the spectrum between that and thinking that dems are misguided, and I myself can appreciate cynicism at times, but I do believe that former category of person is flat-out wrong.
I myself have criticisms for our party at the level of strategy. I have faith that our politicians are mostly good people who believe that they are approaching this battle in the right way. Among these people its obvious that some of this comes down to fundamental philosophical differences, but often its a matter of what we think helps us win.
Barney Frank laid out plainly that he does not think we can win if we don't take corporate money, even while he tried to hedge its influence on democrats by saying we take one tenth of what the GOP takes from the private sector. But that belies his point. It just shows how much folly the strategy is. How do you beat a team by using the same powerhouse approach that the opponent is using, when the opponent has 10 times as much power? Playing nice with big interests who fund us makes us less capable of reigning them in judiciously.
That said, our politicians ARE still the adults in the room. They are still the reasonable ones who make sure government doesn't literally break, and that our economy doesn't collapse..etc. But they continue to let the same winners win, and that has translated over the years into more and more money being available to rig the system against us in the hands of those who would not bat an eye to do so.
We need a class war. Rather, we need to recognize that one has been waged against us for a long time, and to start fighting back in a consolidated way.
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.. and somehow, some way , someone can justify making this horror the fault of Dems.
JHan
Sep 2018
#4
It's not fair. Democrats get all the criticism and even when you prove the accusation false,
betsuni
Sep 2018
#7
Susan Sarandon is an entitled airhead, not "white feminism in human form." Screw that for a critique
Hekate
Sep 2018
#97
If Sarandon was "white feminism in human form" that would be ironic since she refuses to
betsuni
Sep 2018
#106
Taking some random Tweet about a twit and using it to slur all white women goes way too far
Hekate
Sep 2018
#107
Dems don't take the media and their owners to task in a meaninful consolidated way. We have ceded
JCanete
Sep 2018
#16
My point about Lieberman is that mainstream democrats helped to saddle us with him. The democratic
JCanete
Sep 2018
#18
How many different ways do I have to recognize that Republicans are a problem. But Republicans
JCanete
Sep 2018
#50
Oddly enough I see that sabotage from the other side...constantly going after liberals and their
JCanete
Sep 2018
#53
The problem is what the Democrats have done is to continue to pretend that the republicans are
JCanete
Sep 2018
#122
Yeah....part of the argument is how do you make sure we get the vote. I have a feeling telling
JCanete
Sep 2018
#124
Yes, all corporate donors are bad, because they aren't contributing out of any kind of altruistic
JCanete
Sep 2018
#55
I'll just say its not a purity argument I'm making. Its one of strategy, and I think mainsteam
JCanete
Sep 2018
#59
um...you know that other organizations that support democrats do this right? The only reason
JCanete
Sep 2018
#54
I think that really depends on what kind of impact such a candidate could have...whether
JCanete
Sep 2018
#52
oh, so your version of good media is at least covering the facts on Trump? That's the lowest
JCanete
Sep 2018
#119
Goth you're a broken record and you need new material. No, I don't propose that Sanders use magic
JCanete
Sep 2018
#131
So democrats are supposed to stamp their feet and wait for a magical voter revolution?
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#134
That explanation falls flat. You were talking about electing 'real democrats', not about
JCanete
Sep 2018
#132
Any yet you complain that the press is not paying attention to sanders and his silly proposals
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#133
Most people are not ignoring his proposals. and the news walks a fine line. If it ignores for too
JCanete
Sep 2018
#136
Change has happened to superdelegates, and I remember a certain poster posting a few threads
JCanete
Sep 2018
#141
The quid pro quo for the superdelegate rule is that sanders cannot run without joining party
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#143
I disagree with you that it is bad to question reporting or motives. It is bad to do this in a
JCanete
Sep 2018
#140
Fair enough. And true, Fox and BBC are absolutely not the same. Fox isn't interested in maintaining
JCanete
Sep 2018
#144
You're invested in blaming "the establishment" for the results of 2016 primaries..
JHan
Sep 2018
#66
When the words "rigged" and "primary" are anywhere near each other in a conversation:
betsuni
Sep 2018
#117
"I'm going to declare victory. ... There is no point talking to you any further."
betsuni
Sep 2018
#114
Like the FACT that HIllary is or was one of the most liberal Senators of all time
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2018
#113