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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:17 AM

23. Depends on who a person blames for it.

The argument starts with, "The only two parties that get successfully elected repeatedly take money donations from corporations." Well, that begs the argument: A party NEEDS to take money donations from corporations or special interests in order to win. Look at the parties that don't. They lose repeatedly.

The problem is WHY the winning parties take donations from special interests. It's because they have to. That problem existed before Citizens United, altho was made worse by Cit. United.

A party does no good if it doesn't win.

The focus should be campaign finance reform, which is a bipartisan issue, and one that Republican John McCain fought for. McCain was probably stronger on that issue than most Democrats.

Maybe we should start requiring our Democratic candidates to be for campaign finance reform, and then expect them to push the issue. This would require the Democrats owning the executive and legislative branches (both houses), because the majority of Republicans will never vote for it. That's because they benefit more from it.

Add that to the list of what we want from Democratic politiicans:
Campaign finance reform
Medicare for all
Protection of Social Security
Protection of Roe v Wade
Lily Ledbetter wage protection for women
Infrastructure
Jobs

But I think it's wrong to blame the parties from doing what it takes to win. If you don't win, you can't do anything about any issue.

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