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PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
45. Well done! This is why I often post on neutral or even right wing sites, and why
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 11:36 AM
Oct 2018

I have conversations like this with people. Of those three blue collar guys, maybe one will change his vote this time around, maybe not.

But all of them will think, and once you know, there's no going back. They will start to spot hypocrisy, and maybe then either give up voting altogether in disgust, or perhaps become Democrats.

Oh, and one last thing - just thought I'd mention this. Polls I've seen show only 26-28% of millennials plan to vote. You know why? Most don't feel either Republicans or Dems will do anything for them. I've had many, many conversations with millennials - we all know their problems - high student loan debt, being priced out of housing markets, low paying jobs and other things have made it real hard for this whole generation to get on its feet.

Right now, the Republicans are SO BAD that the Dems look like peaches and cream, but when we get in power, we'd better do some stuff to take care of our children and grandchildren, you know? Like Warren has introduced the Responsible Capitalism Act, which simply expands the fiduciary responsibility of CEOs in publicly held companies beyond shareholder earnings to encompass worker and consumer welfare, and environmental impact. Stuff like that will solve so many problems.

But we're going to, within the next decade, have to re-think our whole social and economic organization. I mean, think about it - the real elephant in this room is the national debt. No one really is talking about it. A few tea party people tried a few years ago, but they were co-opted by the Kochs and most of them were kind of dumb anyway.

The bankers love it, though, because they've created a society of scarcity where more and more money is being routed into fewer and fewer hands at our expense, and they get to skim off the top of everything.

Unfortunately, that isn't sustainable. It's going to fall like a giant house of cards.

No bankers want us to go there, and there will be those on this site who disagree with me, but we are going to have to eventually repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and begin coining our own money, as it says in Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Like Lincoln did with the greenbacks during the Civil War.

We need to think differently - you pull a dollar out of your pocket and realize it is only a dollar because we all agree that is so. This is called fiat currency. Nothing backing it except the full faith and credit of the United States. So, if OUR faith and credit is backing these dollars, and if the national debt is money we owe to ourselves, then why are we paying it back with interest to bankers and foreign investors? We could get rid of that whole problem by coining our own money.

Of course, some say that Executive Order 11110, issued by JFK on June 3, 1963 is actually one of the things that got him killed. Whether or not that is true, the bankers will fight back hard. They will.

In fact, when I bring this up, some accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat, and tell me that if we start coining our own money, we will have horrible inflation. That isn't really true, though. People who say that tend to have an interest in banking and in the banking system.

Public banking may be in large part, a solution for us. That, and Warren's 'Responsible Capitalism Act.'

I hope it worked lunatica Oct 2018 #1
nope, to most of these yahoos rampartc Oct 2018 #2
All I can say is the stunned silence I walked away from spoke volumes. Glamrock Oct 2018 #3
i hope you are right rampartc Oct 2018 #4
Yup it works sharedvalues Oct 2018 #73
Almost all undocumented immigrants won't show up at the polls to vote TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #12
that would be my guess rampartc Oct 2018 #26
Undocumented people don't vote. mucifer Oct 2018 #29
Why do you think undocumented people should have the right to vote? MichMan Oct 2018 #32
Other than they live here and they work here and they pay taxes here, I can't think of a reason. Iggo Oct 2018 #52
Why is working and paying taxes connected to having the right to vote ? MichMan Oct 2018 #54
You're right. Early in my career I lived in New Jersey but I worked in New York. George II Oct 2018 #58
"Almost all?" I bet all twelve* that have did so mistakenly thinking they could. shanny Oct 2018 #62
I was hedging my statement by including the word "almost". TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #67
Ah. I hear you. shanny Oct 2018 #72
Yup. Many won't even drive to doctors AllyCat Oct 2018 #74
good for you. Kurt V. Oct 2018 #5
I'm hoping. Glamrock Oct 2018 #6
Doesn't take a lot to shut them up. safeinOhio Oct 2018 #10
Or they could provide for visas treestar Oct 2018 #7
Ironically, it was the urge to "Close the Borders!" shanny Oct 2018 #64
Yes - I read an article on how they would prefer to spend treestar Oct 2018 #77
They are all, well not all, so phony. watoos Oct 2018 #8
That's my point. Glamrock Oct 2018 #9
Throw in that Dump hires all kinds of illegals robbob Oct 2018 #11
Doh! Glamrock Oct 2018 #13
Slap them with one last point. Those dudes probably like a little Esquire... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #14
Thanks for that! Glamrock Oct 2018 #17
Did that myself for far, far too many years. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #18
Hot work? Glamrock Oct 2018 #20
Field service (electrical) engineer... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #21
I'm in DC electrical work. Glamrock Oct 2018 #23
Yes, that probably comes from years of strict safety training. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #27
Don't get me wrong Glamrock Oct 2018 #28
Yep, as a power electrician he's scared to hell of bus bars..... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #36
That's where I cut my DC Glamrock Oct 2018 #37
You too, Glamrock and have a good day of rest! KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #39
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2018 #78
only one problem MissMillie Oct 2018 #15
Oh they were definitely thinking about it as I walked away. Glamrock Oct 2018 #16
I have used this argument for some time. gordianot Oct 2018 #19
Sounds good in theory, but there are unintended consequences MichMan Oct 2018 #34
Few Americans are aware of the scope of this issue.... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #41
I am still hung up on the idea allowing immigration. gordianot Oct 2018 #56
I guess they will claim Ilsa Oct 2018 #22
Haven't encountered that argument yet.... Glamrock Oct 2018 #24
Good job! Many Republican voters simply don't know the facts & need to be educated. mtnsnake Oct 2018 #25
Great post malaise Oct 2018 #30
Tanks mama! Glamrock Oct 2018 #31
If they really wanted to stop illegal immigration, they'd propose exorbitant fines and jail ..... lunasun Oct 2018 #33
Nice righteous rant Luna! Glamrock Oct 2018 #35
A good simple title for your beautiful rant would be... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #44
Outdated argument, Republicans hate all unskilled immigrants now because of automation Amishman Oct 2018 #38
True that! Glamrock Oct 2018 #40
The farms in my rural area of Michigan... llmart Oct 2018 #66
Not yet, give it 5-10 years Amishman Oct 2018 #75
Well done! Aristus Oct 2018 #42
Grassy ass brother Aristus. Glamrock Oct 2018 #46
! Achilleaze Oct 2018 #43
Well done! This is why I often post on neutral or even right wing sites, and why PatrickforO Oct 2018 #45
I'm down. Glamrock Oct 2018 #47
This: CrispyQ Oct 2018 #48
Fines and jail time on employers would also create poverty and homelessness for undocumented workers MichMan Oct 2018 #50
LOL. You don't think the Rs would actually DO that, do you? shanny Oct 2018 #71
Sure. Let's let the right continue to dominate the narrative on this issue. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #80
Great approach to open their minds. Nice going! JudyM Oct 2018 #49
Good work, Glam! elleng Oct 2018 #51
You rock, Glamrock. LuvLoogie Oct 2018 #53
I have to, it's in the name.... Glamrock Oct 2018 #57
Card enid602 Oct 2018 #55
Republican illegal alien Christian Rivera killed Mollie Tibbets. keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #59
There was a time when blue collar dudes were loyal Dems IronLionZion Oct 2018 #60
card-carrying truth evangelist bora13 Oct 2018 #61
Exactly, with the majority that they have had for years they could have easily proposed cstanleytech Oct 2018 #63
I don't Rebl2 Oct 2018 #65
This is exactly right,, reACTIONary Oct 2018 #68
Please, that's a new TACK - not a new "TACT" --- NeverTrumpDemocrat Oct 2018 #69
Thank you for saving me the effort. marybourg Oct 2018 #76
And while we're getting pet peeves out the way, the word is JIBE, not JIVE lol (nt) mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #79
AWESOME!! BadGimp Oct 2018 #70
It amazes me TEB Dec 2018 #81
Me too brother, me too. Glamrock Dec 2018 #82
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