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28. I think you might benefit from re-reading Secretary Clinton's complete remarks...
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 11:30 AM
Nov 2018

The point about some Trump supporters just being scared because of economic conditions and the like was actually made by Secretary Clinton herself in the very same paragraph of the infamous "deplorables" speech in which she defined the deplorables:

I know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think well he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?

[Laughter/applause]

The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.


You are correct, as was Secretary Clinton, that there are those who voted for Trump because they are deplorable, but there are also those who are not deplorable at heart, that voted for him as a result of either ignorance or being misinformed. And as I have emphasized in bold, Secretary Clinton herself went out of her way to make that very distinction.

Those remarks of hers were a mistake politically, in my opinion. Not because the observations she was making were invalid, but because it exposed her to what should have been a predictable manipulation / selective reporting of what she said, and made it too easy to portray her as having painted the opposition with a much more broadly accusatory brush than she was actually trying to.

I've had that very discussion with people for whom the perception that Trump supporter automatically equals deplorable was quite insulting, and pushed them toward Trump. And I could see the recalculation happen when I showed them the full context that their "news" outlets had withheld from them, wherein Secretary Clinton explicitly called for understanding of and empathy for people like them.

I won't try to tell you that you are wrong to not support O'Malley, but I will suggest that your calculation could plausibly change if you evaluate the subject more carefully. The deplorable remarks do not have to have been without merit to have been a political mistake, and as noted, Secretary Clinton herself tried to lead us to recognize both ends of the Trump supporter spectrum, and to deal with those on either end of the spectrum appropriately.



Maybe VP or cabinet pick. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #1
He IS impressive, has been working for Dems around the country for a long time. elleng Oct 2018 #2
Umm. 2016. Ring a bell? Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #3
I think he just wasn't ready for prime time PatSeg Oct 2018 #5
He got crushed very quickly by the Clinton and Bernie trains. He never stood a chance in 2016. jpljr77 Nov 2018 #25
I Remember Him RobinA Nov 2018 #31
Competent and forgettable greymattermom Oct 2018 #4
Competent and bland sounds pretty good right about now... PAMod Oct 2018 #17
Calm and competent sounds pretty good to me vlyons Nov 2018 #27
Not forgettable, IMO. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #29
O'Malley's March. kwassa Nov 2018 #34
Maybe o''Mally and Beto can start a band to get the word ou world wide wally Oct 2018 #6
Did you miss his whole 2016 Democratic presidential primary campaign? n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2018 #7
He, Bernie, and Hillary debated each other Ohiogal Oct 2018 #8
He completely mishandled a lot of parole issues Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2018 #9
heard him on msnbc a few days ago. i was not impressed. drray23 Oct 2018 #10
I think you might benefit from re-reading Secretary Clinton's complete remarks... better Nov 2018 #28
I did not say I would not support him. drray23 Nov 2018 #37
Well I am glad to know that you would support him were he the candidate. better Nov 2018 #38
Thanks for posting this. So many people (on both sides) and especially the media misquote allgood33 Nov 2018 #51
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #52
I like the man and his plans are very good, well thought out and follow thru. Wintryjade Oct 2018 #11
I liked his record when he ran in 2016 dsc Oct 2018 #12
We Are a Nation of Nations. elleng Oct 2018 #13
Apparently he's the ideal candidate for me.... Delarage Oct 2018 #14
Glad you noticed he wasn't given much time at the debates. elleng Nov 2018 #20
I backed him in 2016 TheFarseer Oct 2018 #15
Maybe he'd do better if Dem party didn't succumb to favoring others, elleng Nov 2018 #21
Totally agree TheFarseer Nov 2018 #24
TOTALLY agree nt Raine Nov 2018 #47
Hey Raine! elleng Nov 2018 #49
Hi! Raine Nov 2018 #50
He was my first choice in 2016 DavidDvorkin Oct 2018 #16
Glad to see it, David. elleng Nov 2018 #22
I liked him too Raine Nov 2018 #48
He's popular enough to have his own group here on DU: Rhiannon12866 Nov 2018 #18
I think at some point he may take Cardin's Senate seat. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #19
His strength is in administration, imo. elleng Nov 2018 #23
I have had my eye on him for a while, and so should we all vlyons Nov 2018 #26
He was my first choice in 2016. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #30
My first choice as well Merlot Nov 2018 #32
I think part of his perceived lack in the debate was, in fact, elleng Nov 2018 #33
No, it wasn't that. Clinton and Sanders both have much more experience Merlot Nov 2018 #36
So your profile says you live in MD Andy823 Nov 2018 #35
Thanks for noticing, Andy823. elleng Nov 2018 #39
Hmmm Cha Nov 2018 #40
He needs a lot of seasoning. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #41
This means WHAT? elleng Nov 2018 #45
He was a decent Governor AnnieBW Nov 2018 #42
He was a good governor, re-elected, elleng Nov 2018 #44
Ham and Cheese! Ham and Cheese! FSogol Nov 2018 #43
HEY, FS! elleng Nov 2018 #46
Hi! Having a nice Autumn? n/t FSogol Nov 2018 #54
vanilla lowfat frozen yogurt SoCalDem Nov 2018 #53
"but that person usually does not win" - Much to our detriment. Image what our country FSogol Nov 2018 #55
sadly, so we're stuck with a carnival barker. elleng Nov 2018 #56
"The Return to Sober Sanity Factor" oasis Nov 2018 #57
Yes, elleng Nov 2018 #58
We had a DU for Martin ACt Blue fund raiser for him Omaha Steve Nov 2018 #59
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