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Caliman73

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12. You are right about 1 thing. Bernie is not the enemy.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:31 PM
Nov 2018

He is an independent politician who caucuses with the Democratic Party and holds many similar ideas. That said, your story while interesting has no real bearing on Bernie's situation.

Bernie is not a Democrat, even though he is closely aligned. The problem that a lot of people have with Bernie, aside from the residuals of the 2016 primary, is that he has made comments about race and "identity politics" that show his blind spots and they hurt a very loyal constituency to the Democratic Party.

Structural racism is built into the fabric of society to the point that Black and Brown people who grow up without direct intervention at home, will carry negative assumptions about themselves. There was a study in the 60's or 70's where Black children were asked to identify the "good doll" and "bad doll" or the "pretty doll" or "ugly doll". The majority of Black children pointed to the Black doll as "bad" and "ugly". They pointed to themselves. "Well, we've grown as a society since then" NO They replicated that study recently and found the same results continue to hold true. This society sends a message to women and people of color that we are inferior. Then Bernie goes around and says that White people who are uncomfortable voting for a Black politician aren't necessarily racist. What are they? Inclusive? Open minded? They are not classic, overt, lynching racists, but racism colors their decisions. Bill Bradley was a well qualified politician in California who ran for Governor he was our Andrew Gillium and everyone was talking about, "I'm gonna vote for Bill" then he lost, by quite a margin. They call it the "Bradley Effect" because people wanted to act in a racist way, but not be perceived as a racist so they lied.

If for some reason Bernie should run and win the Democratic nomination for President in 2020, I will vote for him in the general because he is 1000 times better than the VERY BEST Republican, but I hope he does not run because he is not a good representative of what the Democratic Party is or should be moving into the future.

Bernie [View all] FromMissouri Nov 2018 OP
What started all of this? RandySF Nov 2018 #1
Possibly Hekate Nov 2018 #6
Sigh. Post midterms, you'd think we'd get a break from Hortensis Nov 2018 #57
I like the essential message of inclusion. DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #79
"let's keep defining the environment as a jobs and health issue" Hortensis Nov 2018 #86
That's such a great summary of where we stand. United, successful - and nibbled by dividers! DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #88
:) And yours is wonderfully succinct. Hortensis Nov 2018 #89
No..he's giving racists cover nini Nov 2018 #2
What do you mean by 'consider the alternative?' leftstreet Nov 2018 #3
I mean, FromMissouri Nov 2018 #81
... LexVegas Nov 2018 #4
Last things first: LBJ midwifed the Civil Rights Act. He believed it was right. His comment... Hekate Nov 2018 #5
... mcar Nov 2018 #7
What has Bernie done to make the effort to "bring these people in"? What is he doing right now to WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #8
"They are the future of our party" BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #9
Your chat seems to show a Bernie endorsement was helpful dembotoz Nov 2018 #33
I think part of the point of the chart BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #36
the endorsements bernie made around here helped build momentum dembotoz Nov 2018 #58
I don't know where you live BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #61
Wisconsin dembotoz Nov 2018 #64
Then I know you are celebrating the end of Scott Walker! BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #68
We needed every bit of enthusiasm we could get dembotoz Nov 2018 #73
Hopping on a bandwagon that's already in motion isn't really an "endorsement" is it? NurseJackie Nov 2018 #47
I agree that this forum has become a Bernie stomping grounds and it's sad mtnsnake Nov 2018 #10
This. Rizen Nov 2018 #39
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2018 #42
Well said!! Bernie has led the progressive movement for decades... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #51
Thank you. FromMissouri Nov 2018 #82
Must I move on so quickly? OneBro Nov 2018 #11
I think your post is very well stated. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #13
Question. moondust Nov 2018 #19
That is what I thought, too, moondust. He is not as cynical about independents as some, JudyM Nov 2018 #23
I do not think that Bernie is racist in the least. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #24
Thanks. moondust Nov 2018 #25
Thank you, and I really appreciate what you added to the discussion. OneBro Nov 2018 #20
Soft racism is still racism. brush Nov 2018 #17
Very well said. Thank you. nt Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #29
You are right about 1 thing. Bernie is not the enemy. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #12
This. Demwolv Nov 2018 #16
Yes. FromMissouri Nov 2018 #83
Thanks, Adam SERWER, for the appreciation UTUSN Nov 2018 #14
Bernie is not the enemeny Demwolv Nov 2018 #15
Because, despite my initial thoughts I do not think you are trolling. I will try to explain this , GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #18
Bravo, bravo! EffieBlack Nov 2018 #27
Yes, please make this an OP. betsuni Nov 2018 #32
Make this an OP, please! n/t susanna Nov 2018 #34
Excellent post. It was needed to be said. oasis Nov 2018 #35
Well said! Thank you. mia Nov 2018 #40
Well said. Too bad we can't rec replies. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #55
I'd feel differently about Bernie if, as soon as the convention was over, he hadn't announced pnwmom Nov 2018 #21
Bernie grantcart Nov 2018 #22
Thank you! violetpastille Nov 2018 #28
Wow. This deserves it's own thread. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #30
Well I didn't really go into the TPP like I would like to lol grantcart Nov 2018 #31
++++++++ JHan Nov 2018 #45
Thank you for this most valuable input. nt oasis Nov 2018 #37
Wish I could rec your post. cwydro Nov 2018 #38
I think we're All REC it just by Cha Nov 2018 #78
Best essay on this subject I've read all year! No, I take that back... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #67
No Kidding! Cha Nov 2018 #80
Post of the week NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #70
Cheers to that, Riff! Cha Nov 2018 #77
Outstanding! brer cat Nov 2018 #72
+1 betsuni Nov 2018 #74
Very well said! DesertRat Nov 2018 #75
Such "irony", grant.. and your Cha Nov 2018 #76
Thank You. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #87
He is not a Democrat. Never been a Democrat question everything Nov 2018 #26
"He, and his followers do not belong on these pages." mtnsnake Nov 2018 #43
There is a thread somewhere, and I chose not to read it with 200+ responses question everything Nov 2018 #63
This! Yes! Everything you said... thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #44
Blame green party and non-voters Rizen Nov 2018 #41
The expression that comes to mind is "actions speak louder than words." George II Nov 2018 #46
"Bernie is saying the things they, and I, want to hear." --- Oh, please! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #48
Well, let's just say FromMissouri Nov 2018 #84
Yes. Incessant aggressive divisiveness will never have the benefit they imagine, and is hurting us. JudyM Nov 2018 #49
Who's being more "divisive", JudyM? NurseJackie Nov 2018 #50
It is ok to be anti Bernie. I don't like him and wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #52
I think... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #53
Yes, he'll run as an independant and be a spoiler just like Ralph Nader was in the 2000 election. Fla Dem Nov 2018 #59
I was a delegate to the national convention and I have a very different view of bernie Gothmog Nov 2018 #54
If someone has a problem voting for someone because they are black, that is racist period. While still_one Nov 2018 #56
Yup. Some people can't wait to divide us before the next race realmirage Nov 2018 #60
The level of vitriol is telling. As if those they support don't also have clay feet. JudyM Nov 2018 #62
We need to all be clear who the real enemy is realmirage Nov 2018 #65
Yes, unity. The hysterics against him any time he's in the news alienates people, if anything. JudyM Nov 2018 #66
I don't see how it could possibly help Democrats realmirage Nov 2018 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2018 #71
Thank you all. FromMissouri Nov 2018 #85
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