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sheshe2

(83,729 posts)
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:40 PM Nov 2018

California is Using Slave Labor to Fight the Wildfires [View all]

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As two deadly wildfires ravage California homes, killing at least 31 people and leaving hundreds homeless, the state of California is hoping to contain the fires using one of America’s oldest, most expendable forms of labor. The Associated Press reports that 200 inmates from 16 prison crews are being used to fight the Camp Fire, the deadliest wildfire in state history.



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Well, there is a list of reasons, all of which reference the literal definition of slavery:

They don’t receive “proper remuneration”: While fighting fires, inmates earn an average of $2 per day and a whopping total of $1 per hour. But relax, the firefighters are also paid with credit. According to ABC10: “Two days of credit for every day of incarceration (or 66.6%) are awarded to nonviolent offenders serving in fire camps

They “work very hard”: They work in 24-hour shift alongside firefighters who are being paid, including overtime. Aside from fighting fires, a California attorney describes the work as “clearing fire breaks, loading sandbags for future uses, restoring historical areas, maintaining parks and clearing dead, dry brush that is a fire hazard.”

The program contributes to mass incarceration: In 2014, a Deputy Attorney General argued that releasing California inmates would “severely impact fire camp participation, a dangerous outcome while California is in the middle of a difficult fire season and severe drought.”




Read More: https://www.theroot.com/california-is-using-slave-labor-to-fight-the-wildfires-1830420400

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Hey, they are volunteers... couldn't possibly be called slavery, Damn It! They earned this right!

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Oh please. "Slave Labor"??? They are convicted criminals and NEED to pay back to society. LBM20 Nov 2018 #1
oh, dear. 912gdm Nov 2018 #2
my caps key appears to be broken. i hope you don't mind. i disagree with your rzemanfl Nov 2018 #6
Prison labor is slave labor. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #9
They do get paid while doing work in prison or otherwise. Not much, but they do get paid demosincebirth Nov 2018 #20
Penal labor is legalized slavery, even payment or volunteering are presented as "options." WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #25
They get something like 10 cents an hour nt Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #30
The problem is that the state or private prison is incentivized to imprison more people, pnwmom Nov 2018 #53
Exactly, prison labor is slave labor SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #21
Yes, but using them allows the State to avoid hiring actual professional firemen FSogol Nov 2018 #13
Don't forget, though, that prisoners and prison labor have Hortensis Nov 2018 #14
Here ya go... sheshe2 Nov 2018 #35
Oh, no no no no no no. Iggo Nov 2018 #24
Sure they have. Many, yes. All, no. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #29
Really? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #39
Firefighting is a dangerous job that requires skills. Without them, firefighters pnwmom Nov 2018 #50
The program is a win-win. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #3
So are the volunteers as young as 16. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #4
My understanding is they volunteer, train yonder Nov 2018 #5
From the article. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #7
I enjoy reading your posts, but I don't share the outrage of the article's author. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #8
Thanks for that. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #28
Trust me, we share concerns about America's system of justice. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #33
Gotcha, thanks. However... sheshe2 Nov 2018 #34
I respectfully disagree that this is "profit." Small-Axe Nov 2018 #38
I am heartbroken for what is happening there. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #40
I would have appreciated troops coming in... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #44
I do not wish to fight with you. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #46
I don't wish to fight either. I just have a different point of view. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #47
I think Michael Harriot is a fine writer. yonder Nov 2018 #10
Read some of this, yonder. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #31
My argument remains the same and I disagree with the contention yonder Nov 2018 #55
What about the soldiers standing by the Mexican border? Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #11
Your point? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #15
My point: Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #16
No clue. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #17
Califronia has been doing it for years. They also use them for other work on state property. Slave demosincebirth Nov 2018 #12
Vivid imagination? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #18
History. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #32
Fighting fires is better than sitting in a cell. panader0 Nov 2018 #19
Since you have seen them, I have a question. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #41
Watched by a guard. panader0 Nov 2018 #66
they ARE volunteers and YES they did EARN the right.. nt Raine Nov 2018 #22
Fake outrage. They like it better than prison.They train for it. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #23
How do you know they like it better. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #42
Heard an interview with a prison firefighter on the radio not too long ago. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2018 #48
Looks great!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #51
Could be propaganda, could not be. If so, there's a whole lot of lying from the prisoner fighters. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2018 #54
Well sheshe2 Nov 2018 #57
At some point you just need to admit you were wrong. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #73
Do they ever use bricks to stop the fires? betsuni Nov 2018 #64
Aren't you the poster who said something extremely violent about Hillary Clinton? yardwork Nov 2018 #65
Never forget that post, telling her to go **** herself with a brick. betsuni Nov 2018 #72
I had an ex-prisoner working for me for awhile on my farm Bayard Nov 2018 #52
Can they quit if they want to Demobrat Nov 2018 #26
They are volunteers. Tipperary Nov 2018 #36
Yup demosincebirth Nov 2018 #63
Yes, they can -- they are volunteers obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #68
I think cheap labor would be more appropriate. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #27
I agree. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #43
It earns them gain time and I imagine it is looked at favorably in parole hearings (nt) Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #37
Good, they volunteer and get paid for doing it Demonaut Nov 2018 #45
Your response? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #49
Prison sucks but that gives them hope and guidance, for society Demonaut Nov 2018 #58
Dunno. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #59
not all, it's dangerous and scary but they are doing "good" and that's salvation for the soul Demonaut Nov 2018 #60
Ummhmm sheshe2 Nov 2018 #61
I had a friend that had served a few years in prison and worked on a fire crew rollin74 Nov 2018 #56
if I was offered the job while in prison I would take it,they might be just creating fire breaks Demonaut Nov 2018 #62
Read the entire discussion. scarletlib Nov 2018 #67
Clickbait from Michael obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #69
While some here melm00se Nov 2018 #70
It gets them out for a while. pwb Nov 2018 #71
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