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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 01:21 PM

189. Really?

Johnson, and Kennedy before him, was largely responsible for starting/keeping us in Vietnam. and the architects of Johnson's war were his Democratic cabinet members. Nixon was hideous on the subject, but Johnson even deliberately lied (we know now) to get us further into that war.

and you never "went against" a sitting Democrat? Not even the Dixicrats of the old south?

what exactly do you think the student movement was about?

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Ocasio Cortez is going to be a problem for our party just watch. [View all]	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	OP
I suspect that the people she represents will rein her in if she goes too far.	CaliforniaPeggy	Nov 2018	#1
No but protesting at Nancy's office on your first day of orientation says a lot.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#3
Did you watch the video of her saying why she was at the protest?	Blue_true	Nov 2018	#9
Would you give me the synopsis?	WhiteTara	Nov 2018	#25
Lol. Apparently to DEMAND legislative action on climate change.	Hortensis	Nov 2018	#65
Oh my, that is definitely being confused.	WhiteTara	Nov 2018	#71
Right. There's a lot more power inside than out.	Hortensis	Nov 2018	#75
You are comparing her to Palin?	ChubbyStar	Nov 2018	#76
no, my dear Chubby	WhiteTara	Nov 2018	#83
I am not your dear	ChubbyStar	Nov 2018	#85
Well, alrighty then.	WhiteTara	Nov 2018	#88
Begging for a fight?	ChubbyStar	Nov 2018	#92
Here I am, Chubby. The comparison was between	Hortensis	Nov 2018	#95
Nope.	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#93
Come On, Star	ProfessorGAC	Nov 2018	#184
Demanding something of the incoming Speaker of the House even before she's been sworn in?	George II	Nov 2018	#106
That was what I was chuckling over. Kinda cute,	Hortensis	Nov 2018	#117
Who is her mentor?	NastyRiffraff	Nov 2018	#123
She didn't protest	JonLP24	Nov 2018	#149
I don't think it's so much why she was at the protest than that she WAS at the protest.	George II	Nov 2018	#125
She's already gone too far.	kstewart33	Nov 2018	#171
I'm not that worried about it.	maxsolomon	Nov 2018	#2
Ding-Ding..	disillusioned73	Nov 2018	#8
Who are these "some"?	wasupaloopa	Nov 2018	#61
Look around...	disillusioned73	Nov 2018	#165
You shouldn't keep omitting the ex-Republican connections	R B Garr	Nov 2018	#145
lol... OK	disillusioned73	Nov 2018	#164
That's truly hilarious. The thing in common with anti-Democrat	R B Garr	Nov 2018	#168
The right sure is attacking her.	Hassin Bin Sober	Nov 2018	#11
That's been reason enough for many here on DU to say Pelosi is a "bad choice."	ehrnst	Nov 2018	#54
Ooph!	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#89
Wait a minute! That's our job!	Iggo	Nov 2018	#135
The RIGHT is very triggered	disillusioned73	Nov 2018	#166
I am not a fan of hers...	nycbos	Nov 2018	#4
I assume that Pelosi will have a talk with her at some point before January 3rd.	Caliman73	Nov 2018	#77
Just about every elected Democrat in Queens is against tax handouts to Amazon	BeyondGeography	Nov 2018	#5
Not surprised. Some would rather our party do nothing with our new found power	Tom Rivers	Nov 2018	#26
Republicans are in control of the Senate for at least 2 years , maybe more.	octoberlib	Nov 2018	#43
No, it forces their hand	Tom Rivers	Nov 2018	#131
Agree	mountain grammy	Nov 2018	#138
Hearings on the important things, like climate change will help a lot getting it to the public.	Autumn	Nov 2018	#175
+1000	Power 2 the People	Nov 2018	#60
But those other Democrats don't have Ocasio-Cortez's history, which riles some DUers	Jim Lane	Nov 2018	#158
Nailed it	BeyondGeography	Nov 2018	#159
spot on	Celerity	Nov 2018	#170
Absolutely!	Hassin Bin Sober	Nov 2018	#172
Ocasio-Cortez Has Some Growing Up to Do	dlk	Nov 2018	#6
I will keep this post in mind when this goes forward.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#12
Kind of like Avenatti nt	lillypaddle	Nov 2018	#63
I think she needs to learn what can be changed and what probably cannot	spooky3	Nov 2018	#155
She is young enough to survive the mistakes	YessirAtsaFact	Nov 2018	#7
It's often difficult to overcome a bad first impression.	comradebillyboy	Nov 2018	#35
She makes herself look naive.	rogue emissary	Nov 2018	#10
I see Independent in her future yes.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#13
Thing is, I'm fine with that.	rogue emissary	Nov 2018	#18
probably so... It might work out better for her if she can't be a collaborative player.	hlthe2b	Nov 2018	#115
I see rude awakening in her future.	GoCubsGo	Nov 2018	#192
Maybe she is just brash enough	HopeAgain	Nov 2018	#14
Well I was in the student movement in the Johnson era and I never went against a	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#16
How is having a position on Amazon	HopeAgain	Nov 2018	#20
Not as bad as her being present at the protest at Nancy's office.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#22
So why don't we talk about Climate Change more?	HopeAgain	Nov 2018	#45
We need to, but she has no power right now.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#47
So let's just sit back because we have no power?	HopeAgain	Nov 2018	#53
Really?	ProfessorPlum	Nov 2018	#189
"Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?" nt.	Mariana	Nov 2018	#190
Give her a call	ChubbyStar	Nov 2018	#15
I emailed this morning, we shall see.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#17
Email is pointless	Loki Liesmith	Nov 2018	#29
Doubtful. There's no way in hell that would work out for the right, because mostly,	JCanete	Nov 2018	#19
Her being present at the protest at Nancy's office is my main complaint.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#21
It is a protest that apparently Pelosi has welcomed, and if you watched the video included, Cortez	JCanete	Nov 2018	#23
She needs to sit back and learn, this is not hit the ground running.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#24
I disagree, for the very reasons I stated. Her visibility is valuable to getting the issues she	JCanete	Nov 2018	#30
I have been a working member of this party fore a long time "(not that you are)".	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#34
What? What agenda is that? You need to make that case, cuz that sounds way out of the box to me. nt	JCanete	Nov 2018	#37
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The agenda is a far left one, from a new member.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#41
There is nothing far left about those positions. Quit using republican framing and maybe we could	JCanete	Nov 2018	#49
Too many people forget the Democratic Party is a Coalition. We can walk and chew gum...but...	haele	Nov 2018	#107
Very well said.	kstewart33	Nov 2018	#173
hahahahha. Wow, so you've got nothing except an ad hominem. Okay. Glad we've cleared that up. nt	JCanete	Nov 2018	#48
Yes, God forbid we do anything about imploding global climate if it's "disruptive"	hatrack	Nov 2018	#162
She is one congress rep out of 435. She isn't that important.	KWR65	Nov 2018	#27
This message was self-deleted by its author	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#31
then, if you accept everythign you just said, how would she be a problem? That was your premise.	JCanete	Nov 2018	#32
Because the other side doesn't care, they will latch on to her and use her as a poster child	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#36
But when people say the same about Speaker Pelosi (in terms of being	Celerity	Nov 2018	#163
They'll do it anyway, at any time. Especially to women of color.	SharonAnn	Nov 2018	#188
She's a Betty that looks like a Veronica	Ciaphas Cain	Nov 2018	#28
Can you explain that analogy a bit more?	irisblue	Nov 2018	#42
They all lost.	octoberlib	Nov 2018	#52
In the Archies, wasn't Betty the one who often started trouble and in-fighting?	TheBlackAdder	Nov 2018	#96
What is there to support about the Amazon decision?	WhiskeyGrinder	Nov 2018	#33
Exactly	SubjectTrip	Nov 2018	#112
Representatives are much more focussed on what matters to their district	jberryhill	Nov 2018	#38
She's right to speak out on the tax breaks and other freebies	DeminPennswoods	Nov 2018	#40
I agree, but the people who might find a job might not.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#44
These are corporate HQ's...	vi5	Nov 2018	#50
Yep, I'd bet few of these jobs	DeminPennswoods	Nov 2018	#104
Why would that be a problem?	fescuerescue	Nov 2018	#176
Amazon is a publically traded company	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Nov 2018	#67
Fine, then they don't need tax subsidies	DeminPennswoods	Nov 2018	#105
Then talk to the powers that be in NYC	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Nov 2018	#133
I'm happy my state "lost" out	DeminPennswoods	Nov 2018	#161
I agree. I can't believe this is even controversial. I think people just want to hate this woman	SweetieD	Nov 2018	#178
Actually other Democrats are now coming around to her original position on Amazon.	vi5	Nov 2018	#46
Good grief, I am not saying Amazon is right.	redstatebluegirl	Nov 2018	#51
What makes you think you know "the system" any better than AOC?	Hassin Bin Sober	Nov 2018	#66
Um. She had NO CHALLENGER. geezus.	Bfd	Nov 2018	#152
Not in the primary.	Hassin Bin Sober	Nov 2018	#174
No one campaigned against her. No One. She should have had to fight the battle	Bfd	Nov 2018	#180
You and I are usually on the same page but Ocasio might just change things	MaryMagdaline	Nov 2018	#129
This message was self-deleted by its author	Bfd	Nov 2018	#151
The tax ensentives are happening on a state and local level.	LuvLoogie	Nov 2018	#57
So she does not represent her district?	vi5	Nov 2018	#114
Of course she represents her district, but the deal is done it seems.	LuvLoogie	Nov 2018	#128
Wow, who knew.	vi5	Nov 2018	#130
It was you who brought her up in the context of Amazon and tax give-aways.	LuvLoogie	Nov 2018	#132
It's really not that interesting	BannonsLiver	Nov 2018	#186
I look forward to her energy and passion for the causes that are dear to me. I love the diversity	Nanjeanne	Nov 2018	#55
Same here. Like a puppy, she will learn to conserve her energy.	Blue_true	Nov 2018	#121
Don't care for her	Meowmee	Nov 2018	#56
Call her and let her know	ChubbyStar	Nov 2018	#59
I think you're missing	Meowmee	Nov 2018	#157
Love her.	Iggo	Nov 2018	#136
Bull	matt819	Nov 2018	#58
I am thinking Alan Grayson.	Sneederbunk	Nov 2018	#62
Oh I have to agree with you!!	Thekaspervote	Nov 2018	#156
Spot on	kcr	Nov 2018	#181
Newest Attention Seeker...	LovingA2andMI	Nov 2018	#64
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BREAKING: NYC Council Speaker is breaking from NYC Leaders...	brooklynite	Nov 2018	#69
The right & Trumpsters will hold her up as the poster child representing all of the Left	elocs	Nov 2018	#70
I like her spirit	Buckeyeblue	Nov 2018	#72
she may run for president	Joe941	Nov 2018	#73
Not in 2020....	Adrahil	Nov 2018	#87
Too young by 6+ years. nt	Blue_true	Nov 2018	#122
I think she only cares about her district and constituents	AlexSFCA	Nov 2018	#74
She might be, but could end up being an asset, too. It's her call	DFW	Nov 2018	#78
I'm afraid she'll go the way of Alan Grayson. . .	DinahMoeHum	Nov 2018	#79
That's a very apt comparison. It would be a shame if that happened.	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#169
In her 1st day she has become a 1st class pain in the ass. Fox News couldn't be happier.	Botany	Nov 2018	#80
Yes it's horrible to tell the protesters we must let leader Pelosi know we have her back in	Autumn	Nov 2018	#81
She'll be much more of an asset than a problem.	Yavin4	Nov 2018	#82
I like her.	David__77	Nov 2018	#84
She is "our party"	Cuthbert Allgood	Nov 2018	#86
I have never been impressed with AOC	Gothmog	Nov 2018	#90
She needs to learn quickly, or she may be "one-and-done".	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#91
' you never get a second-chance to make a first impression'	melman	Nov 2018	#97
It's all subjective, of course, but ...	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#100
Wow, that's an interesting twist on "judging someone". As for me, I based my successful career....	George II	Nov 2018	#103
Agreed! That certainly makes MORE sense than...	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#108
lol	melman	Nov 2018	#139
...	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#141
Woof, woof!	George II	Nov 2018	#142
Who's a good boy?!	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#143
You're so right about that - her mistakes could do her in	FakeNoose	Nov 2018	#98
She is the best	melman	Nov 2018	#94
I don't see it that way.	pwb	Nov 2018	#99
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Nobody is bashing her.	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#111
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Post removed	Post removed	Nov 2018	#134
Same window "Any Dem Anywhere" went out of.	Iggo	Nov 2018	#140
You say problem I say opportunity	Corvo Bianco	Nov 2018	#102
We are all entitled to our opinion	Chickensoup	Nov 2018	#109
How do you figure that "Nancy is far more of a problem"?	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#113
The nonstop ATTACKS of our LEADER on this board FUCKING INFURIATE ME	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2018	#127
The GOP attacks Nancy Pelosi because she is so very effective	Gothmog	Nov 2018	#119
A problem in that she is going to finally drag it out of the 90's and into the 21st century?	SubjectTrip	Nov 2018	#110
the 90's were over a long time ago, the party has already moved beyond the 90's.	JHan	Nov 2018	#118
She is going to do just fine.	Dave Starsky	Nov 2018	#120
I was not happy to see her beat Crowley or get into other races.	Blue_true	Nov 2018	#124
Amazon is the new plantation, updated for the 21st century.	guillaumeb	Nov 2018	#126
Nah.	Iggo	Nov 2018	#137
Meanwhile, Steny Hoyer is presenting a direct threat to Pelosi's leadership chances	SubjectTrip	Nov 2018	#144
Why are you spreading disinformation?	Denzil_DC	Nov 2018	#148
This thread is a great example of the failures of teaching civics in our schools	BannonsLiver	Nov 2018	#187
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2018	#193
Source? That is not true.	Bfd	Nov 2018	#182
Yes, agreed. nt	R B Garr	Nov 2018	#146
It's about damn time someone breaks with New York's leaders.	SaschaHM	Nov 2018	#147
+1000	JonLP24	Nov 2018	#153
Using Amazon is a bad example	JonLP24	Nov 2018	#150
Not worried	sfwriter	Nov 2018	#154
Look; the voters have spoken.	Onyrleft	Nov 2018	#160
Nobody is trying to do that.	NurseJackie	Nov 2018	#167
Meh. You are giving her more credit and power than she merits.	KPN	Nov 2018	#177
Said this from day one.	djg21	Nov 2018	#179
The concern for her presence is only "a threat" in the Media's need for drama.	Bfd	Nov 2018	#183
Talk to her voters	DeafAngelboy23	Nov 2018	#185
Let her get sworn in and learn her way around DC before we start jumping on her	struggle4progress	Nov 2018	#191
She's gonna be a problem for the right....	disillusioned73	Nov 2018	#194

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