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JHan

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52. Of course it has be passed, I don't expect her to be there forever..

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 11:20 PM

Nov 2018

but the pressure on her to leave is greater than anything her colleagues face and that bothers me a big deal.

"Concerned about how she is perceived by the rest of the country" - If you acknowledge that she is skilled, and was good at her job, then the perception of her means facing some ugly isms. Yes I think the problem here is old sexism. So I don't feed the narratives. She's been a convenient scapegoat for Republicans who shame Democrats in races ( particularly male democrats in races) for her being their leader. It doesn't get uglier and more blatant than that.

Schumer also gets a lot of unfair treatment, even compared to McConnell.

It doesn't matter who Dems put, they will be a lightning rod and Republicans will swiftboat them, but our women leaders always have to bear the brunt of it all and it's sickening to watch.

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Scarborough on Pelosi [View all] NewJeffCT Nov 2018 OP

Exactly Me. Nov 2018 #1

Some Democrats are buying the Republican's demonization of Pelosi olegramps Nov 2018 #82

Interesting Suggestion On MJ Me. Nov 2018 #89

I would never have thought I would rec something he said. Autumn Nov 2018 #2

he makes sense sometimes NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #4

Partisan politics isn't easy to shake. John Fante Nov 2018 #102

Yes he does DownriverDem Nov 2018 #105

same here Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #5

+1. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #9

I hope I never have to do this again. Autumn Nov 2018 #38

I have to sterilize the keyboard and mouse. Have a good evening. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #39

I know! I feel dirty somehow Celerity Nov 2018 #12

Me too. I need a shower. Autumn Nov 2018 #13

Now I have to agree with Scarborough? I need to go shower. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #17

I felt so dirty. Autumn Nov 2018 #37

Took the words right out of my mouth! lilactime Nov 2018 #19

Same here. Control-Z Nov 2018 #23

+1 spooky3 Nov 2018 #27

I said the same thing to myself susanna Nov 2018 #63

Same here! I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Joe Scarborough! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2018 #70

The man has a point. dem4decades Nov 2018 #3

Bothers me that I agree with him. irisblue Nov 2018 #6

He makes an excellent point, Irisblue! Cha Nov 2018 #14

Oh yeah Cha, irisblue Nov 2018 #16

IF ever there were a time for someone seasoned and expereinced, this is it. Amaryllis Nov 2018 #7

I trust Pelosi grantcart Nov 2018 #8

So does Elijah.. Cha Nov 2018 #15

Pretty Strong Stuff From Cummings ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #100

Yes I think it would be a shame Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2018 #109

Totally agree ... people can choose to disregard facts Greywing Nov 2018 #10

JS has some Excellent valid points.. Elijah Cummings does too.. Cha Nov 2018 #11

Yes, Cha. What Elijah Cummings said! peggysue2 Nov 2018 #18

There's always room for Peggysue's comments! Cha Nov 2018 #21

Thanks, Cha! peggysue2 Nov 2018 #32

let's also not forget that @TimRyan threw reproductive rights to the wayside during the ACA fight Cha Nov 2018 #33

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #112

K n R & Thanks. Great Post Bfd Nov 2018 #22

I've always liked Nancy but Jarqui Nov 2018 #20

Not popular with voters according to who? Bfd Nov 2018 #25

Many polls Jarqui Nov 2018 #31

Ooohh yes. The many polls. Bfd Nov 2018 #34

I think Nate Silver, for example, has a much better take on the meaning of polls than you Jarqui Nov 2018 #43

When I hear those hot takes, I interrogate them. JHan Nov 2018 #46

"Pelosi was brilliant at her job as Speaker" Jarqui Nov 2018 #50

Of course it has be passed, I don't expect her to be there forever.. JHan Nov 2018 #52

What I am talking about is not fair. And a bunch of it is BS. Jarqui Nov 2018 #54

Indeed, much of it is BS, which is why I don't feed the narratives. JHan Nov 2018 #58

I do not see it as 'feeding the narratives' Jarqui Nov 2018 #59

If you understand that the narratives are bullshit and you repeat it anyway.. JHan Nov 2018 #60

Things happen for a reason Jarqui Nov 2018 #61

From what I've read in your comments: JHan Nov 2018 #62

"reject unfair framing of those who represent us" Jarqui Nov 2018 #64

Since I said you acknowledged the smears , why are you saying that I misrepresented you? JHan Nov 2018 #65

"I care that stupid ideas and memes are spread, which undermine " Jarqui Nov 2018 #79

Except in the case of Nancy it is not normal.. JHan Nov 2018 #80

I can't get caught up in the woman leadership thing. Jarqui Nov 2018 #87

Acknowledging the perniciousness of sexism is not "giving her some slack" JHan Nov 2018 #88

Don't do it... don't you break my heart neohippie Nov 2018 #71

Here's the problem I see with that Jarqui Nov 2018 #84

GOP and Putin hate Nancy and fear her EXACTLY the way they did Hillary Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #92

I really don't think the Democrats in Congress should choose leaders based on republican smears. George II Nov 2018 #98

I did not say that they "should choose leaders based on republican smears" Jarqui Nov 2018 #99

Please Define "Rest Of The Country" ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #101

Obviously, there are some hardcore Republicans that will never vote for a Democrat Jarqui Nov 2018 #103

Then We Disagree ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #106

I think you have missed the point terribly Jarqui Nov 2018 #107

Dead wrong on Hillary and wrong on Pelosi too. Bfd Nov 2018 #47

they're boilerplate memes accepted and swallowed. JHan Nov 2018 #49

Yes.,. As tho controlled bot's, "likes" or "dislikes" disappeared with 2016 Bfd Nov 2018 #51

What hurt Hillary Clinton is the fact that 22 states combined have the same population.... George II Nov 2018 #97

So then vote for someone else in 2020. Right now, Nancy Pelosi is the woman we need for the job. politicaljunkie41910 Nov 2018 #42

I do not agree with change for the sake of change either. Jarqui Nov 2018 #45

Pelosi has become a hated figure to the Repukes lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #53

I'm not adopting any Repuke talking points Jarqui Nov 2018 #55

and so you propose to replace Pelosi with someone younger lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #56

I do not have a specific person in mind. Jarqui Nov 2018 #57

Not popular with the voters? She's been elected overwhelmingly since the late 1980s: George II Nov 2018 #96

Let's get realistic and look at something meaningful and relevant. Jarqui Nov 2018 #110

Not popular with voters? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #108

See my post above Jarqui Nov 2018 #111

Any data on this? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #114

Tons Jarqui Nov 2018 #115

Okay I'm done with you. NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #116

Links to some of these polls were posted by me in this very thread Jarqui Nov 2018 #117

That last statement is smack on. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #24

With a new Democratic president in 2020... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #26

The thought of anyone else stresses me out. We need her more than ever. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2018 #28

❤ Nancy. Duppers Nov 2018 #29

I'm not taking advice from a Republican RandySF Nov 2018 #30

Bingo-Bango.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #76

Scarborough resigned from the GOP a year or two ago NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #83

Trump only attacks her because he fears her. spanone Nov 2018 #35

He endorsed her.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #77

oh yes he does. spanone Nov 2018 #86

So true karin_sj Nov 2018 #90

So we are squabbling about who will be speaker after a giant blue wave. Cool StTimofEdenRoc Nov 2018 #36

I remember Scabs *EXCORIATING* Pelosi morning after morning *SCATHINGLY* years back. UTUSN Nov 2018 #40

I want Nancy Pelosi - we need a battle tested General for the times ahead of us these next 2 yrs. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #41

Wow, something I finally agree on w Scarbo. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2018 #44

I now think a lot of the Ryan dust up is Kabuki Theatre but we'll see how it plays out. JHan Nov 2018 #48

Someone should primary Ryan next time. What he has been up to, does OnDoutside Nov 2018 #66

Like you, I'm not terribly impressed by him either. JHan Nov 2018 #67

Yes, that's when I formed my opinion of him. As I said elsewhere, I have OnDoutside Nov 2018 #68

Pelosiwill be re-elected True Blue American Nov 2018 #69

Yep. He's right. calimary Nov 2018 #72

Not to mention the fact Nancy helped many of these new candidates win their seats onetexan Nov 2018 #73

Good point about Republicans running against Pelosi. Every on of them "accused" their Democratic Nitram Nov 2018 #74

I guess Republicans are now running the Democratic causus.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #75

He likened dumping Pelosi to the Red Sox dumping Red Sox manager Cora. dem4decades Nov 2018 #78

Morning Joe.... quickesst Nov 2018 #81

since the election, Joe has been consistently against Trump NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #95

He flip-flopped on Trump in 2015 and 2016.... quickesst Nov 2018 #104

"One more thing: Republicans ran against Pelosi this year and had their worst loss since Watergate." workinclasszero Nov 2018 #85

Recent successes may have come zentrum Nov 2018 #91

I support Pelosi! ananda Nov 2018 #93

I agree! This is no time to mess around with inexperience. Little Star Nov 2018 #94

Can't stand to listen to that horse's ass.... Hulk Nov 2018 #113