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Jarqui

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64. "reject unfair framing of those who represent us"

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:41 AM

Nov 2018

I have to call you on that because you are doing that to me - unfairly framing what I am saying.

By identifying these things as lies or smears, as I have consistently, that describes these smears as "unfair framing of those who represent us". Period. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Unfortunately, there are a bunch of Americans who will never read what you and I are discussing and will die wrongfully thinking the false smear that Barack Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya. So I do not advocate that we pretend something else is happening with them. There is a political cost to this ugly, dishonest smearing behavior. The GOP has known it for decades and they'll persist until it stops working for them.

We do not have a solution for it. Nothing you have advocated has been effective to date.

So we have to be responsible Democrats, recognize where in the political cycle our leaders are and get ready to do something about it for 2020 - with a change in leadership where justified.

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Scarborough on Pelosi [View all] NewJeffCT Nov 2018 OP

Exactly Me. Nov 2018 #1

Some Democrats are buying the Republican's demonization of Pelosi olegramps Nov 2018 #82

Interesting Suggestion On MJ Me. Nov 2018 #89

I would never have thought I would rec something he said. Autumn Nov 2018 #2

he makes sense sometimes NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #4

Partisan politics isn't easy to shake. John Fante Nov 2018 #102

Yes he does DownriverDem Nov 2018 #105

same here Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #5

+1. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #9

I hope I never have to do this again. Autumn Nov 2018 #38

I have to sterilize the keyboard and mouse. Have a good evening. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #39

I know! I feel dirty somehow Celerity Nov 2018 #12

Me too. I need a shower. Autumn Nov 2018 #13

Now I have to agree with Scarborough? I need to go shower. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #17

I felt so dirty. Autumn Nov 2018 #37

Took the words right out of my mouth! lilactime Nov 2018 #19

Same here. Control-Z Nov 2018 #23

+1 spooky3 Nov 2018 #27

I said the same thing to myself susanna Nov 2018 #63

Same here! I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Joe Scarborough! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2018 #70

The man has a point. dem4decades Nov 2018 #3

Bothers me that I agree with him. irisblue Nov 2018 #6

He makes an excellent point, Irisblue! Cha Nov 2018 #14

Oh yeah Cha, irisblue Nov 2018 #16

IF ever there were a time for someone seasoned and expereinced, this is it. Amaryllis Nov 2018 #7

I trust Pelosi grantcart Nov 2018 #8

So does Elijah.. Cha Nov 2018 #15

Pretty Strong Stuff From Cummings ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #100

Yes I think it would be a shame Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2018 #109

Totally agree ... people can choose to disregard facts Greywing Nov 2018 #10

JS has some Excellent valid points.. Elijah Cummings does too.. Cha Nov 2018 #11

Yes, Cha. What Elijah Cummings said! peggysue2 Nov 2018 #18

There's always room for Peggysue's comments! Cha Nov 2018 #21

Thanks, Cha! peggysue2 Nov 2018 #32

let's also not forget that @TimRyan threw reproductive rights to the wayside during the ACA fight Cha Nov 2018 #33

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #112

K n R & Thanks. Great Post Bfd Nov 2018 #22

I've always liked Nancy but Jarqui Nov 2018 #20

Not popular with voters according to who? Bfd Nov 2018 #25

Many polls Jarqui Nov 2018 #31

Ooohh yes. The many polls. Bfd Nov 2018 #34

I think Nate Silver, for example, has a much better take on the meaning of polls than you Jarqui Nov 2018 #43

When I hear those hot takes, I interrogate them. JHan Nov 2018 #46

"Pelosi was brilliant at her job as Speaker" Jarqui Nov 2018 #50

Of course it has be passed, I don't expect her to be there forever.. JHan Nov 2018 #52

What I am talking about is not fair. And a bunch of it is BS. Jarqui Nov 2018 #54

Indeed, much of it is BS, which is why I don't feed the narratives. JHan Nov 2018 #58

I do not see it as 'feeding the narratives' Jarqui Nov 2018 #59

If you understand that the narratives are bullshit and you repeat it anyway.. JHan Nov 2018 #60

Things happen for a reason Jarqui Nov 2018 #61

From what I've read in your comments: JHan Nov 2018 #62

"reject unfair framing of those who represent us" Jarqui Nov 2018 #64

Since I said you acknowledged the smears , why are you saying that I misrepresented you? JHan Nov 2018 #65

"I care that stupid ideas and memes are spread, which undermine " Jarqui Nov 2018 #79

Except in the case of Nancy it is not normal.. JHan Nov 2018 #80

I can't get caught up in the woman leadership thing. Jarqui Nov 2018 #87

Acknowledging the perniciousness of sexism is not "giving her some slack" JHan Nov 2018 #88

Don't do it... don't you break my heart neohippie Nov 2018 #71

Here's the problem I see with that Jarqui Nov 2018 #84

GOP and Putin hate Nancy and fear her EXACTLY the way they did Hillary Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #92

I really don't think the Democrats in Congress should choose leaders based on republican smears. George II Nov 2018 #98

I did not say that they "should choose leaders based on republican smears" Jarqui Nov 2018 #99

Please Define "Rest Of The Country" ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #101

Obviously, there are some hardcore Republicans that will never vote for a Democrat Jarqui Nov 2018 #103

Then We Disagree ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #106

I think you have missed the point terribly Jarqui Nov 2018 #107

Dead wrong on Hillary and wrong on Pelosi too. Bfd Nov 2018 #47

they're boilerplate memes accepted and swallowed. JHan Nov 2018 #49

Yes.,. As tho controlled bot's, "likes" or "dislikes" disappeared with 2016 Bfd Nov 2018 #51

What hurt Hillary Clinton is the fact that 22 states combined have the same population.... George II Nov 2018 #97

So then vote for someone else in 2020. Right now, Nancy Pelosi is the woman we need for the job. politicaljunkie41910 Nov 2018 #42

I do not agree with change for the sake of change either. Jarqui Nov 2018 #45

Pelosi has become a hated figure to the Repukes lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #53

I'm not adopting any Repuke talking points Jarqui Nov 2018 #55

and so you propose to replace Pelosi with someone younger lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #56

I do not have a specific person in mind. Jarqui Nov 2018 #57

Not popular with the voters? She's been elected overwhelmingly since the late 1980s: George II Nov 2018 #96

Let's get realistic and look at something meaningful and relevant. Jarqui Nov 2018 #110

Not popular with voters? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #108

See my post above Jarqui Nov 2018 #111

Any data on this? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #114

Tons Jarqui Nov 2018 #115

Okay I'm done with you. NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #116

Links to some of these polls were posted by me in this very thread Jarqui Nov 2018 #117

That last statement is smack on. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #24

With a new Democratic president in 2020... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #26

The thought of anyone else stresses me out. We need her more than ever. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2018 #28

❤ Nancy. Duppers Nov 2018 #29

I'm not taking advice from a Republican RandySF Nov 2018 #30

Bingo-Bango.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #76

Scarborough resigned from the GOP a year or two ago NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #83

Trump only attacks her because he fears her. spanone Nov 2018 #35

He endorsed her.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #77

oh yes he does. spanone Nov 2018 #86

So true karin_sj Nov 2018 #90

So we are squabbling about who will be speaker after a giant blue wave. Cool StTimofEdenRoc Nov 2018 #36

I remember Scabs *EXCORIATING* Pelosi morning after morning *SCATHINGLY* years back. UTUSN Nov 2018 #40

I want Nancy Pelosi - we need a battle tested General for the times ahead of us these next 2 yrs. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #41

Wow, something I finally agree on w Scarbo. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2018 #44

I now think a lot of the Ryan dust up is Kabuki Theatre but we'll see how it plays out. JHan Nov 2018 #48

Someone should primary Ryan next time. What he has been up to, does OnDoutside Nov 2018 #66

Like you, I'm not terribly impressed by him either. JHan Nov 2018 #67

Yes, that's when I formed my opinion of him. As I said elsewhere, I have OnDoutside Nov 2018 #68

Pelosiwill be re-elected True Blue American Nov 2018 #69

Yep. He's right. calimary Nov 2018 #72

Not to mention the fact Nancy helped many of these new candidates win their seats onetexan Nov 2018 #73

Good point about Republicans running against Pelosi. Every on of them "accused" their Democratic Nitram Nov 2018 #74

I guess Republicans are now running the Democratic causus.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #75

He likened dumping Pelosi to the Red Sox dumping Red Sox manager Cora. dem4decades Nov 2018 #78

Morning Joe.... quickesst Nov 2018 #81

since the election, Joe has been consistently against Trump NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #95

He flip-flopped on Trump in 2015 and 2016.... quickesst Nov 2018 #104

"One more thing: Republicans ran against Pelosi this year and had their worst loss since Watergate." workinclasszero Nov 2018 #85

Recent successes may have come zentrum Nov 2018 #91

I support Pelosi! ananda Nov 2018 #93

I agree! This is no time to mess around with inexperience. Little Star Nov 2018 #94

Can't stand to listen to that horse's ass.... Hulk Nov 2018 #113