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In reply to the discussion: Scarborough on Pelosi [View all]Jarqui
(10,496 posts)79. "I care that stupid ideas and memes are spread, which undermine "
I would go further to say they undermine the country. They smear candidates which leads to voters making choices founded on falsehoods. It is worse than their dishonest ads and rhetoric because we have a propaganda network, FOX, amplifying and repeating the falsehoods.
"What advocacy?"
This advocates how you think it should be dealt with:
" See I interrogate the bullshit and call it out because I think the better approach should always be to reject unfair framing of those who represent us in the arena. "
"we're having a chat on an internet forum about the ways leaders are framed."
It is beyond that because I think we both agree leaders are being framed and the ways mentioned are merely examples - not covering all ways they might be framed.
My point is that this framing of our political leaders is damaging and that damage accumulates over time as does more time in office which also tends to wear down their appeal/approval. Those are reasons why political cycles tend to be considerably shorter than a lifetime. When it comes to considering a change in leadership, we cannot be blinded by our affections for a given leader. We have to recognize how they are perceived by the electorate because their lack of popularity can bring the rest of the party's lesser known candidates down.
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Same here! I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Joe Scarborough!
Rhiannon12866
Nov 2018
#70
let's also not forget that @TimRyan threw reproductive rights to the wayside during the ACA fight
Cha
Nov 2018
#33
I think Nate Silver, for example, has a much better take on the meaning of polls than you
Jarqui
Nov 2018
#43
Since I said you acknowledged the smears , why are you saying that I misrepresented you?
JHan
Nov 2018
#65
I really don't think the Democrats in Congress should choose leaders based on republican smears.
George II
Nov 2018
#98
Obviously, there are some hardcore Republicans that will never vote for a Democrat
Jarqui
Nov 2018
#103
What hurt Hillary Clinton is the fact that 22 states combined have the same population....
George II
Nov 2018
#97
So then vote for someone else in 2020. Right now, Nancy Pelosi is the woman we need for the job.
politicaljunkie41910
Nov 2018
#42
Not popular with the voters? She's been elected overwhelmingly since the late 1980s:
George II
Nov 2018
#96
The thought of anyone else stresses me out. We need her more than ever.
Glimmer of Hope
Nov 2018
#28
So we are squabbling about who will be speaker after a giant blue wave. Cool
StTimofEdenRoc
Nov 2018
#36
I remember Scabs *EXCORIATING* Pelosi morning after morning *SCATHINGLY* years back.
UTUSN
Nov 2018
#40
I want Nancy Pelosi - we need a battle tested General for the times ahead of us these next 2 yrs.
iluvtennis
Nov 2018
#41
I now think a lot of the Ryan dust up is Kabuki Theatre but we'll see how it plays out.
JHan
Nov 2018
#48
Not to mention the fact Nancy helped many of these new candidates win their seats
onetexan
Nov 2018
#73
Good point about Republicans running against Pelosi. Every on of them "accused" their Democratic
Nitram
Nov 2018
#74
"One more thing: Republicans ran against Pelosi this year and had their worst loss since Watergate."
workinclasszero
Nov 2018
#85