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In reply to the discussion: Scarborough on Pelosi [View all]

JHan

(10,173 posts)
80. Except in the case of Nancy it is not normal..
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 09:02 AM
Nov 2018

Gephardt ( for example ) faced neither the same expectations nor demonization as Pelosi - I am very interested in this disparity.

I often quote this piece because it expresses far better than I ever could the dynamics I'm seeing - and if we want to talk advocacy this is where MY advocacy comes in as a young woman and why I challenge the narratives, whether it's HRC or Pelosi:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-nancy-pelosi-problem/554048/

Why so much discontent with a woman who has proved so good at her job? Maybe because many Democrats think Pelosi’s unpopularity undermines their chances of winning back the House. Why is she so unpopular? Because powerful women politicians usually are. Therein lies the tragedy. Nancy Pelosi does her job about as well as anyone could. But because she’s a woman, she may not be doing it well enough.

Within days of pelosi’s ascension to House minority leader, in 2003, back when nearly 60 percent of Americans still had no idea who she was, the Republican Party featured her visage—“garish and twisted,” in the words of a magazine article at the time—in an ad against a Democrat running for Congress in Louisiana. The GOP has been using her as a scarecrow ever since. Before the 2010 midterms, the National Republican Congressional Committee cited Pelosi in an astonishing 70 percent of its ads—far more than the percentage that cited Obama. And for good reason: Internal Republican polling showed that Pelosi was far less popular than the president. After Democrats lost their House majority that fall, Congressman Allen Boyd of Florida, whose reelection bid failed, called hers “the face that defeated us in this last election.”

In the run-up to the 2012 elections, according to the Wesleyan Media Project, Republicans invoked Pelosi in television ads seven times as often as they invoked the Senate’s Democratic leader, Harry Reid. Four years after that, in the run-up to 2016, they invoked her three times as often.


*snip*

The Democrats who want Pelosi gone don’t deny her talent. But they say her unpopularity is too heavy a load to bear. “The Republican playbook for the past four election cycles has been very focused, very clear,” Representative Kathleen Rice, a Democrat from New York, insisted after Ossoff’s defeat. “It’s been an attack on our leader. Is it fair? No. Are the attacks accurate? No. But guess what? They work.” Nonpartisan observers agree. As David Wasserman, an editor of “The Cook Political Report,” tweeted after the Georgia loss, “It’s just extremely difficult for Ds to argue benefits of Nancy Pelosi’s fundraising skills still outweigh cost of her presence in GOP ads.”

Not everyone agrees that Pelosi’s unpopularity is a function of gender. Some observers note that her Republican counterpart, Speaker Paul Ryan, is unpopular too: According to HuffPost’s poll aggregator, Americans disapprove of both Ryan and Pelosi by 20 percentage points. But Ryan’s unpopularity tracks his party’s, which Americans disapprove of by 23 points—whereas Pelosi’s disapproval margin is almost twice that of the Democratic Party as a whole. Others chalk up Pelosi’s image problems to her ideology (liberal) and home base (San Francisco). But Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, a liberal from Brooklyn, has a disapproval margin half as large as hers.


And this right here:

As the management professors Ekaterina Netchaeva, Maryam Kouchaki, and Leah Sheppard noted in a 2015 paper, Americans generally believe “that leaders must necessarily possess attributes such as competitiveness, self-confidence, objectiveness, aggressiveness, and ambitiousness.” But “these leader attributes, though welcomed in a male, are inconsistent with prescriptive female stereotypes of warmth and communality.” In fact, “the mere indication that a female leader is successful in her position leads to increased ratings of her selfishness, deceitfulness, and coldness.”

The more successful Pelosi is—the more she outmaneuvers and dominates her male adversaries—the more threatening she becomes. And the easier it becomes to tar the male Democratic candidates who would serve under her as emasculated yes-men.


It would be comforting to think that Pelosi is alienating because she’s a rich liberal Democrat from San Francisco—not because she’s a woman. Yet despite attributes that should make her endearing to cultural conservatives—she is a Catholic Italian American grandmother of nine who entered politics only after staying home to raise her kids—many Americans greeted her rise with, in the words of the Yale researchers, “contempt, anger, and/or disgust.” It was the same for Hillary Clinton: Her deep religiosity, career-long focus on child welfare, and insistence on keeping her family together in the face of near-unimaginable humiliation didn’t spare her in the 2016 presidential election.

Similarly, if Senator Elizabeth Warren seeks the presidency, she won’t be able to count on help from her working-class Oklahoma roots and anti–Wall Street passion. On the surface, Trump’s “Pocahontas” slur may appear as unrelated to gender as Clinton’s emails did. But the moral outrage that female ambition provokes takes many forms. Already, notes Jennifer Lawless, who directs the Women and Politics Institute at American University, Republicans target Warren far more often than they target her populist doppelgänger, Senator Bernie Sanders. Not coincidentally, according to HuffPost, Americans approve of Sanders by a margin of 24 points—and of Warren by only four points.

A woman will one day make it to the White House. Nancy Pelosi may again become the speaker. But her experience offers an irony and a warning: For women politicians to succeed, they must defeat and outmaneuver men. Yet the better at it they are, the more detested they become.
Scarborough on Pelosi [View all] NewJeffCT Nov 2018 OP
Exactly Me. Nov 2018 #1
Some Democrats are buying the Republican's demonization of Pelosi olegramps Nov 2018 #82
Interesting Suggestion On MJ Me. Nov 2018 #89
I would never have thought I would rec something he said. Autumn Nov 2018 #2
he makes sense sometimes NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #4
Partisan politics isn't easy to shake. John Fante Nov 2018 #102
Yes he does DownriverDem Nov 2018 #105
same here Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #5
+1. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #9
I hope I never have to do this again. Autumn Nov 2018 #38
I have to sterilize the keyboard and mouse. Have a good evening. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #39
I know! I feel dirty somehow Celerity Nov 2018 #12
Me too. I need a shower. Autumn Nov 2018 #13
Now I have to agree with Scarborough? I need to go shower. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #17
I felt so dirty. Autumn Nov 2018 #37
Took the words right out of my mouth! lilactime Nov 2018 #19
Same here. Control-Z Nov 2018 #23
+1 spooky3 Nov 2018 #27
I said the same thing to myself susanna Nov 2018 #63
Same here! I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Joe Scarborough! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2018 #70
The man has a point. dem4decades Nov 2018 #3
Bothers me that I agree with him. irisblue Nov 2018 #6
He makes an excellent point, Irisblue! Cha Nov 2018 #14
Oh yeah Cha, irisblue Nov 2018 #16
IF ever there were a time for someone seasoned and expereinced, this is it. Amaryllis Nov 2018 #7
I trust Pelosi grantcart Nov 2018 #8
So does Elijah.. Cha Nov 2018 #15
Pretty Strong Stuff From Cummings ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #100
Yes I think it would be a shame Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2018 #109
Totally agree ... people can choose to disregard facts Greywing Nov 2018 #10
JS has some Excellent valid points.. Elijah Cummings does too.. Cha Nov 2018 #11
Yes, Cha. What Elijah Cummings said! peggysue2 Nov 2018 #18
There's always room for Peggysue's comments! Cha Nov 2018 #21
Thanks, Cha! peggysue2 Nov 2018 #32
let's also not forget that @TimRyan threw reproductive rights to the wayside during the ACA fight Cha Nov 2018 #33
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #112
K n R & Thanks. Great Post Bfd Nov 2018 #22
I've always liked Nancy but Jarqui Nov 2018 #20
Not popular with voters according to who? Bfd Nov 2018 #25
Many polls Jarqui Nov 2018 #31
Ooohh yes. The many polls. Bfd Nov 2018 #34
I think Nate Silver, for example, has a much better take on the meaning of polls than you Jarqui Nov 2018 #43
When I hear those hot takes, I interrogate them. JHan Nov 2018 #46
"Pelosi was brilliant at her job as Speaker" Jarqui Nov 2018 #50
Of course it has be passed, I don't expect her to be there forever.. JHan Nov 2018 #52
What I am talking about is not fair. And a bunch of it is BS. Jarqui Nov 2018 #54
Indeed, much of it is BS, which is why I don't feed the narratives. JHan Nov 2018 #58
I do not see it as 'feeding the narratives' Jarqui Nov 2018 #59
If you understand that the narratives are bullshit and you repeat it anyway.. JHan Nov 2018 #60
Things happen for a reason Jarqui Nov 2018 #61
From what I've read in your comments: JHan Nov 2018 #62
"reject unfair framing of those who represent us" Jarqui Nov 2018 #64
Since I said you acknowledged the smears , why are you saying that I misrepresented you? JHan Nov 2018 #65
"I care that stupid ideas and memes are spread, which undermine " Jarqui Nov 2018 #79
Except in the case of Nancy it is not normal.. JHan Nov 2018 #80
I can't get caught up in the woman leadership thing. Jarqui Nov 2018 #87
Acknowledging the perniciousness of sexism is not "giving her some slack" JHan Nov 2018 #88
Don't do it... don't you break my heart neohippie Nov 2018 #71
Here's the problem I see with that Jarqui Nov 2018 #84
GOP and Putin hate Nancy and fear her EXACTLY the way they did Hillary Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #92
I really don't think the Democrats in Congress should choose leaders based on republican smears. George II Nov 2018 #98
I did not say that they "should choose leaders based on republican smears" Jarqui Nov 2018 #99
Please Define "Rest Of The Country" ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #101
Obviously, there are some hardcore Republicans that will never vote for a Democrat Jarqui Nov 2018 #103
Then We Disagree ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #106
I think you have missed the point terribly Jarqui Nov 2018 #107
Dead wrong on Hillary and wrong on Pelosi too. Bfd Nov 2018 #47
they're boilerplate memes accepted and swallowed. JHan Nov 2018 #49
Yes.,. As tho controlled bot's, "likes" or "dislikes" disappeared with 2016 Bfd Nov 2018 #51
What hurt Hillary Clinton is the fact that 22 states combined have the same population.... George II Nov 2018 #97
So then vote for someone else in 2020. Right now, Nancy Pelosi is the woman we need for the job. politicaljunkie41910 Nov 2018 #42
I do not agree with change for the sake of change either. Jarqui Nov 2018 #45
Pelosi has become a hated figure to the Repukes lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #53
I'm not adopting any Repuke talking points Jarqui Nov 2018 #55
and so you propose to replace Pelosi with someone younger lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #56
I do not have a specific person in mind. Jarqui Nov 2018 #57
Not popular with the voters? She's been elected overwhelmingly since the late 1980s: George II Nov 2018 #96
Let's get realistic and look at something meaningful and relevant. Jarqui Nov 2018 #110
Not popular with voters? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #108
See my post above Jarqui Nov 2018 #111
Any data on this? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #114
Tons Jarqui Nov 2018 #115
Okay I'm done with you. NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #116
Links to some of these polls were posted by me in this very thread Jarqui Nov 2018 #117
That last statement is smack on. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #24
With a new Democratic president in 2020... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #26
The thought of anyone else stresses me out. We need her more than ever. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2018 #28
❤ Nancy. Duppers Nov 2018 #29
I'm not taking advice from a Republican RandySF Nov 2018 #30
Bingo-Bango.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #76
Scarborough resigned from the GOP a year or two ago NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #83
Trump only attacks her because he fears her. spanone Nov 2018 #35
He endorsed her.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #77
oh yes he does. spanone Nov 2018 #86
So true karin_sj Nov 2018 #90
So we are squabbling about who will be speaker after a giant blue wave. Cool StTimofEdenRoc Nov 2018 #36
I remember Scabs *EXCORIATING* Pelosi morning after morning *SCATHINGLY* years back. UTUSN Nov 2018 #40
I want Nancy Pelosi - we need a battle tested General for the times ahead of us these next 2 yrs. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #41
Wow, something I finally agree on w Scarbo. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2018 #44
I now think a lot of the Ryan dust up is Kabuki Theatre but we'll see how it plays out. JHan Nov 2018 #48
Someone should primary Ryan next time. What he has been up to, does OnDoutside Nov 2018 #66
Like you, I'm not terribly impressed by him either. JHan Nov 2018 #67
Yes, that's when I formed my opinion of him. As I said elsewhere, I have OnDoutside Nov 2018 #68
Pelosiwill be re-elected True Blue American Nov 2018 #69
Yep. He's right. calimary Nov 2018 #72
Not to mention the fact Nancy helped many of these new candidates win their seats onetexan Nov 2018 #73
Good point about Republicans running against Pelosi. Every on of them "accused" their Democratic Nitram Nov 2018 #74
I guess Republicans are now running the Democratic causus.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #75
He likened dumping Pelosi to the Red Sox dumping Red Sox manager Cora. dem4decades Nov 2018 #78
Morning Joe.... quickesst Nov 2018 #81
since the election, Joe has been consistently against Trump NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #95
He flip-flopped on Trump in 2015 and 2016.... quickesst Nov 2018 #104
"One more thing: Republicans ran against Pelosi this year and had their worst loss since Watergate." workinclasszero Nov 2018 #85
Recent successes may have come zentrum Nov 2018 #91
I support Pelosi! ananda Nov 2018 #93
I agree! This is no time to mess around with inexperience. Little Star Nov 2018 #94
Can't stand to listen to that horse's ass.... Hulk Nov 2018 #113
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