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In reply to the discussion: Scarborough on Pelosi [View all]Jarqui
(10,496 posts)84. Here's the problem I see with that
https://www.cookpolitical.com/index.php/analysis/national/national-politics/referendum-trump-or-pelosi
Between 1/1/18 and 10/15/18, there were 109,431 anti-Pelosi ads run.
That is more than the anti-Trump ads.
Ads cost money. If they cost $1000/ad, they sepnt $109 million damaging Pelosi in the first 10.5 months this year.
They're not entirely stupid because the GOP have maintained more than their fair share of controlling the House. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc and these ads work to help the GOP cling to power as the political cycles toss control of the House and Senate back and forth between the two parties.
They spend money on these ads on damaging Pelosi for a reason. In her 15 years as leader, she's been speaker for only four of them. The ads are not the only reason.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/nancy_pelosi_favorableunfavorable-6673.html#polls
Favorability Ratings: U.S. Political Leaders
Chuck Schumer 29.0 43.3 -14.3
Donald Trump 41.0 55.4 -14.4
Nancy Pelosi 28.5 52.0 -23.5
Mitch McConnell 21.8 48.0 -26.2
Those results are based on poll of polls. Sure, Rasmussen and other GOP pollsters have their finger on the scale but Nancy's favorability numbers are badly underwater.
I can't stand McConnell and his numbers seem appropriate or too generous to me.
Nancy is like a war hero to me. She's been in the political trenches as leader for 15 years. She's had terrible lies said about her while steadfastly advocating for policies I support. Throughout it, I've never heard her so much as swear. She is a model of class and integrity - taking the high road when they go low. I'm a fan and I really appreciate her service and will do so for as long as I live. Looking at her numbers, she has taken a lot of arrows for our cause.
She doesn't deserve to be fired. She has a lot of political scars for our benefit.
But what is best for our cause has to come first.
For 2020, I believe a change in leadership is best
Between 1/1/18 and 10/15/18, there were 109,431 anti-Pelosi ads run.
That is more than the anti-Trump ads.
Ads cost money. If they cost $1000/ad, they sepnt $109 million damaging Pelosi in the first 10.5 months this year.
They're not entirely stupid because the GOP have maintained more than their fair share of controlling the House. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc and these ads work to help the GOP cling to power as the political cycles toss control of the House and Senate back and forth between the two parties.
They spend money on these ads on damaging Pelosi for a reason. In her 15 years as leader, she's been speaker for only four of them. The ads are not the only reason.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/nancy_pelosi_favorableunfavorable-6673.html#polls
Favorability Ratings: U.S. Political Leaders
Chuck Schumer 29.0 43.3 -14.3
Donald Trump 41.0 55.4 -14.4
Nancy Pelosi 28.5 52.0 -23.5
Mitch McConnell 21.8 48.0 -26.2
Those results are based on poll of polls. Sure, Rasmussen and other GOP pollsters have their finger on the scale but Nancy's favorability numbers are badly underwater.
I can't stand McConnell and his numbers seem appropriate or too generous to me.
Nancy is like a war hero to me. She's been in the political trenches as leader for 15 years. She's had terrible lies said about her while steadfastly advocating for policies I support. Throughout it, I've never heard her so much as swear. She is a model of class and integrity - taking the high road when they go low. I'm a fan and I really appreciate her service and will do so for as long as I live. Looking at her numbers, she has taken a lot of arrows for our cause.
She doesn't deserve to be fired. She has a lot of political scars for our benefit.
But what is best for our cause has to come first.
For 2020, I believe a change in leadership is best
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Same here! I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Joe Scarborough!
Rhiannon12866
Nov 2018
#70
let's also not forget that @TimRyan threw reproductive rights to the wayside during the ACA fight
Cha
Nov 2018
#33
I think Nate Silver, for example, has a much better take on the meaning of polls than you
Jarqui
Nov 2018
#43
Since I said you acknowledged the smears , why are you saying that I misrepresented you?
JHan
Nov 2018
#65
I really don't think the Democrats in Congress should choose leaders based on republican smears.
George II
Nov 2018
#98
Obviously, there are some hardcore Republicans that will never vote for a Democrat
Jarqui
Nov 2018
#103
What hurt Hillary Clinton is the fact that 22 states combined have the same population....
George II
Nov 2018
#97
So then vote for someone else in 2020. Right now, Nancy Pelosi is the woman we need for the job.
politicaljunkie41910
Nov 2018
#42
Not popular with the voters? She's been elected overwhelmingly since the late 1980s:
George II
Nov 2018
#96
The thought of anyone else stresses me out. We need her more than ever.
Glimmer of Hope
Nov 2018
#28
So we are squabbling about who will be speaker after a giant blue wave. Cool
StTimofEdenRoc
Nov 2018
#36
I remember Scabs *EXCORIATING* Pelosi morning after morning *SCATHINGLY* years back.
UTUSN
Nov 2018
#40
I want Nancy Pelosi - we need a battle tested General for the times ahead of us these next 2 yrs.
iluvtennis
Nov 2018
#41
I now think a lot of the Ryan dust up is Kabuki Theatre but we'll see how it plays out.
JHan
Nov 2018
#48
Not to mention the fact Nancy helped many of these new candidates win their seats
onetexan
Nov 2018
#73
Good point about Republicans running against Pelosi. Every on of them "accused" their Democratic
Nitram
Nov 2018
#74
"One more thing: Republicans ran against Pelosi this year and had their worst loss since Watergate."
workinclasszero
Nov 2018
#85