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Stinky The Clown

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23. Thank you, Effie
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:08 PM
Dec 2018

Like you, I am up to here with the DU Hate machine.

With presidents, there is the man and the policies.

I never liked very much about GHWB's policies. I never really liked his wife very much; I found her arrogant and elitist. But the reality, as I see it, is he was a genuinely decent man who held the nation in the very highest regard and did his best to do the best for it as he saw the best to be.

As you say, they are all flawed. WE are all flawed.

Until now, every modern president was within a standard deviation from dead center perfection. To be sure there are degrees of good and degrees of bad, and even at that the degrees are measured by each of us based on our own standards. I believe it is only now we are seeing an outlier. We would be very much better off were a person like GHWB now our president.

You cite current politicians in your OP, but looking back on Democrats of the past two come immediately to mind. Both WJC and JFK were horndogs to similar degrees. One was impeached for it, one lived in a different time. Both were good presidents.

We need to be more charitable in our assessment of our leaders.

K & R sdfernando Dec 2018 #1
Yep. cwydro Dec 2018 #2
It's kind of a different thing when your kacekwl Dec 2018 #3
Where do you draw the line? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #7
Where do you draw it? melman Dec 2018 #16
Well, Michelle Obama says he's a swell guy, so probably, yes SammyWinstonJack Dec 2018 #40
How about NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #45
I can't agree with that melman Dec 2018 #49
I don't draw a line. One casualty caused kacekwl Dec 2018 #47
I completely agree. betsuni Dec 2018 #4
You're braver than me. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #5
Not brave. Just weary of the sanctimony EffieBlack Dec 2018 #10
Behaving exactly like them? Lordquinton Dec 2018 #36
you forgot the part where reagon with bush at his side questionseverything Dec 2018 #56
There's so much that went on Lordquinton Dec 2018 #59
Viet Nam was the Democrats' war . . . . that later got transferred to the GOP. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #13
No, I can't. I'll never gloss over anybody's racist actions, dead or alive. lilactime Dec 2018 #6
Very much wisdom here in your words GusBob Dec 2018 #8
Nor can a president's tenure be judged by a single policy decision ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #9
i'm sure the "news networks" will remind us all next week what a great president he was elmac Dec 2018 #11
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #12
Both sides XRubicon Dec 2018 #14
"Cash for Clunkers." What a dumb idea that was. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #35
LOL. XRubicon Dec 2018 #38
That was abhorrent? Maybe on breitbart, Fox News and Hannidate.com Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #39
no one was forced to scrap old vehicles LSFL Dec 2018 #55
Yes. One standard for all. Hortensis Dec 2018 #15
Where did you find your Mueller quote? I've seen it a few times now, and I'm just curious as to politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #25
Which one is it? Hortensis Dec 2018 #54
The one that always shows up as a quote at the end of your most recents posts. politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #60
Oh, duh! :) It's from Mueller's historic indictment Hortensis Dec 2018 #61
politics is hard Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #17
I agree EffieBlack Dec 2018 #19
Would You Be Interested In Purchasing A Bridge Hermit? PaulX2 Dec 2018 #26
how many terms as president did you give up? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #58
And everyone, not just presidents and MOC, have to make choices that are less than perfect erronis Dec 2018 #18
We are not "better" - everybody is a mix of good/bad. Death does not absolve bad-overall of badness. UTUSN Dec 2018 #20
No. No one is obliged to do anything EffieBlack Dec 2018 #21
As does setting judgment markers for what others do. UTUSN Dec 2018 #22
How ironic ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #29
Thank you, Effie Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #23
One other exception besides the current squatter in the White House wryter2000 Dec 2018 #31
I've got just one thing to say. watoos Dec 2018 #24
Historical revisionism is harmful. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #27
What a bunch of crap... curiouso Dec 2018 #28
Exactly. No "both sides do it" crap. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #62
Look at it this way... cos dem Dec 2018 #30
Or we can acknowledge that there are limits on what any society that calls itself civilized should Downtown Hound Dec 2018 #32
Let's be really real thegoose Dec 2018 #33
We can't whitewash the past ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #34
Not, as such. Prof.Higgins Dec 2018 #37
I'm with you, EffieBlack. BadgerMom Dec 2018 #41
He was ok Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #42
Don't the right wingnuts do enough condemning of Democrats for all of us? Curmudgeoness Dec 2018 #43
KnR and good luck Hekate Dec 2018 #44
You mustn't be Latin American then. a la izquierda Dec 2018 #46
We should make a list of the decisions that each president made that has made our world worse. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #48
Yes Jake Stern Dec 2018 #50
The most obvious point missed in this OP is that presidential legacies differ widely. BlueWI Dec 2018 #51
No, not at all. Republicans used racist dogwhistles for years. MUCH more than Dems sharedvalues Dec 2018 #52
Right on! tymorial Dec 2018 #53
So now we can't criticize Republcans edhopper Dec 2018 #57
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