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InAbLuEsTaTe

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89. Wow, sounds an awful like democracy... hey, I'm all for it!!

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Why is it an awesome idea for Biden to run, but Hillary not only shouldn't run, but must go away? [View all] EffieBlack Dec 2018 OP

Neither should run. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #1

Yes. nt tblue37 Dec 2018 #4

Bingo. paleotn Dec 2018 #6

Agreed. democratisphere Dec 2018 #10

Yup. n/t X_Digger Dec 2018 #65

Couldn't agree more. Neema Dec 2018 #131

I agree that sanders should not run but I doubt that he will anyway Gothmog Dec 2018 #175

We get it -- you don't like Sanders. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #182

He's not going to show his tax returns blue cat Dec 2018 #281

Moot, even. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #293

Thank you blue cat Dec 2018 #296

See: blue cat Dec 2018 #297

+1 D23MIURG23 Dec 2018 #185

I'm with you. KentuckyWoman Dec 2018 #199

Neither should Bernie Sanders or whistler162 Dec 2018 #207

I mentioned Sanders in my post. Disagree about Warren. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #209

I'm sorry ... just too old. earthside Dec 2018 #210

Yup! NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #211

Yes. With all due respect, we need younger candidates. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #229

TOTALLY agree Raine Dec 2018 #238

I agree nt Sunsky Dec 2018 #256

It's a great bumper sticker lacking any evidence at all to support it. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #288

That's quite a leap... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #294

That's a good question marylandblue Dec 2018 #2

With the same answer as why Nancy needs to leave or Hortensis Dec 2018 #53

+1. I don't think either should run, but you're absolutely right on this! nt tblue37 Dec 2018 #3

Don't forget Bernie in this equation, too! WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #5

In terms of age, absolutely. All of them are in their seventies... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #28

Tom, age just isn't the same factor it once was. Hortensis Dec 2018 #71

Actually I agree with you and for that reason I would consider any of them (and Warren too.) Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #76

All true. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #99

:) Yes, same here. You know, it's actually the press who crave Hortensis Dec 2018 #126

Yep, well put Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #133

Except Bernie has the energy and drive of politicians HALF his age. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #147

and Hillary doesn't? nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #151

She's too ambitious ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #154

Ooooh, and she's "bitchy" and we do want a woman, just not her Baltimike Dec 2018 #157

Is his doctors name Jackson? OBrien Dec 2018 #152

NO HE DOESN'T. And don't forget, Bernie isn't a Democrat. trueblue2007 Dec 2018 #186

lol yeah, no he doesn't obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #196

Biden is in pretty decent shape too... runnin' laps, the guy could easily keep up with Obama... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #217

LMAO blackdove78 Dec 2018 #216

Too bad he's not a Democrat Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #299

Yes, even though every year, Bernie is consistently ranked among the Senate's top progressives... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #300

Still not a member of the Democratic Party Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #303

I had forgotten... thanks for the reminder!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #305

You're welcome Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #318

Because one has already lost to Trump BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #7

And the other lost to Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, and Kucinich oberliner Dec 2018 #11

Are they running in 2020? BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #14

I don't think there's any question Biden would have... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #278

Losing to Obama should not be held against anybody treestar Dec 2018 #92

True dat... why Michelle Obama should also run. Talk about exceptional!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #192

He didn't just lose to Obama EffieBlack Dec 2018 #193

How did he lose to the other Dems though - treestar Dec 2018 #240

They got more votes than he did in each primary and then he dropped out while they stayed in EffieBlack Dec 2018 #244

Biden lost to Dukakis and Obama -- not to the names you mentioned karynnj Dec 2018 #148

Biden actually did lose to all of them EffieBlack Dec 2018 #155

You could argue that Edwards did win a small number of delegates ... but not Richardson or Kuchinich karynnj Dec 2018 #163

If Biden had been the nominee in 2016 he would have been swiftboated like crazy, StevieM Dec 2018 #203

Thank you EffieBlack Dec 2018 #212

That Is My Argument erpowers Dec 2018 #279

She got 3 million more votes than he did EffieBlack Dec 2018 #24

That's simply not true Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #34

No! She won. Election was compromised bigtime. triron Dec 2018 #39

And lost TWICE IN A ROW... Biden WON his last 2 elections as VP with Obama. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #48

OBAMA won those elections EffieBlack Dec 2018 #58

As I said, Obama deserves the lion's share of the credit for those victories... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #70

I don't take those attributes away from him, either EffieBlack Dec 2018 #72

I see your point... and, of course, the right experience is a valuable asset, regardless. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #77

Amen Effie!! Caliman73 Dec 2018 #98

The Obama/Biden ticket won when the Democratic Party was super strong delisen Dec 2018 #123

I agree with you that Biden should speak to the issue of Russian interference in the 2016 election. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #142

Who can beat rump is all that matters....people clearly aren't getting that. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #173

I don't think it is awesome for Biden to run, nor do I think Hillary has to go away Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #8

I assume that Biden and Sanders will both run again, and they will start out as the front runners. StevieM Dec 2018 #12

The ghosts of 2016, and the divisions from that are alive and well. Because of that, I do not still_one Dec 2018 #27

Personally I really don't believe Hillary is going to run. GWC58 Dec 2018 #277

She said as much. I suspect Sanders will, but for the reasons I gave I don't think he will make it still_one Dec 2018 #284

I agree. GWC58 Dec 2018 #295

Yes, but the experience Joe got as VP for 8 years, plus his 3 decades in the Senate... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #59

Longevity and experience are attributes for men EffieBlack Dec 2018 #64

Yes, and those attitudes are certainly unfair and should be put on the proverbial "scrap heap"... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #75

IOW, there's no possible reason to oppose Clinton except misogyny, right? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #237

HRC is subject to misogyny, as she was in both 2008 and 2016. StevieM Dec 2018 #9

Hillary has proven she has an enormously hard head Hortensis Dec 2018 #74

Hillary is certainly welcome to run, like any other prospective Democratic candidate... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #78

If she has. Remember, she would consider she has Hortensis Dec 2018 #83

I don't think she has given much thought to the matter. StevieM Dec 2018 #124

Your probably right... she certainly gave the last election everything she had. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #143

As Biden should... he's earned it! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #307

I have no problem with Biden, Sanders, Warren or anyone else running. StevieM Dec 2018 #312

Have to look more into Steyer... don't know much about him. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #313

Hillary isn't going away, but she also isnt going to run again. All the abuse she has put up with still_one Dec 2018 #13

If we don't unite for the fight in 2020 vs the Nazi-in-Chief, the results could again be disasterous InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #50

That may be, but in my view it would be prudent to choose a Democratic nominee that wasn't part of still_one Dec 2018 #56

You have a point, though I respectfully disagree somewhat but then that speaks in favor of Joe Biden InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #62

I am pretty sure if Biden is able to run he will, and while he did NOT run in 2016, he isn't a new still_one Dec 2018 #68

I'm not going to be forgetting any of it ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #162

Great question oberliner Dec 2018 #15

It's certainly her absolute right! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #81

I would take Clinton over Biden in a primary. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #16

I'd hafta go with Joe... eight years as VP gives him a leg up on Hillary... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #93

Solid case. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #204

Same. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #219

The only person in modern politics who ran again after losing and won: mn9driver Dec 2018 #17

I would much prefer Joe Biden to Hillary, but if she wants to run Sherman A1 Dec 2018 #21

Wow, sounds an awful like democracy... hey, I'm all for it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #89

reagan dsc Dec 2018 #40

I think they're referring to previous nominees who came back to win the presidency EffieBlack Dec 2018 #42

Romney redux is not impossible. Croney Dec 2018 #54

And Nixon had not won the popular vote the first time treestar Dec 2018 #97

Like it or not, HRC has baggage. Sneederbunk Dec 2018 #18

So does Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #20

Unfortunately Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #100

HRC handily won the Democratic nomination and the GE popular vote. lapucelle Dec 2018 #127

Most of it created by Russians that's not true and could be done to anyone uponit7771 Dec 2018 #117

You see "baggage" I see luggage. delisen Dec 2018 #128

So does Biden. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #139

Not nearly as much, as small as it is. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #301

Arguably more, actually. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #309

Sheesh EffieBlack Dec 2018 #310

The anti-Clinton, pro-Biden people are so transparent with their sexism. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #311

Who had more baggage than Trump? HipChick Dec 2018 #164

The optics are important. We need a new face. Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #19

the main diff is she ran as nominee and lost nt msongs Dec 2018 #22

As opposed to running twice for the nomination and not making it through the primaries? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #26

I'm not supporting Biden, but a relevant data point is he then went on to win the Vice Presidency Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #49

Hillary was a national figure before she even ran for president EffieBlack Dec 2018 #52

Correct Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #60

Good point. John Fante Dec 2018 #161

Whereas Biden twice failed in an effort just to become the nominee. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #30

I personally like her, she can do what she wants but her favorability ratings are still very low Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #23

One of the reasons I don't think she would run. jalan48 Dec 2018 #37

Clearly... Hillary is obviously politically savvy & knows the difficult challenge of that reality. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #308

I hope so. jalan48 Dec 2018 #316

I think we all know the answer to that. cwydro Dec 2018 #25

Not this again hueymahl Dec 2018 #29

Yes, THIS again EffieBlack Dec 2018 #41

Not Gotcha hueymahl Dec 2018 #113

It could be a trick. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #31

A trick by who? Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #38

By the Democratic Party. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #69

I'm not understanding this either. lapucelle Dec 2018 #146

The candidate is elected in the primaries. How would "the Party" "switch" candidates? N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #134

Huh?? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #280

Why do people keep asking when did you stop beating your mother questions? Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #32

Aren't you making the same sort of assumption you just criticized the OP for? Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #36

I mistakenly assumed everyone understood the problem with "When did you stop beating your mother" Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #103

Agreed. It's a false premise. hueymahl Dec 2018 #116

I assumed it was gender - but it wasn't a question inviting discussion. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #122

Or, that those who believe Joe has the right to run, also believe Hillary does too. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #191

Not the point I was making, but certainly a possibility. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #205

I gotcha... fair point. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #218

Part Misogyny; Part Clinton Fatigue; Part Pent Up Frustration kennetha Dec 2018 #33

Interesting - but Biden isn't a progressive EffieBlack Dec 2018 #45

which was my point. kennetha Dec 2018 #47

If Hilary were to primary against Biden (or that old NotADemocrat guy), I'd be all in for HRC. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #35

But, she's a girl, see... MineralMan Dec 2018 #43

I'm supporting and voting for the Democratic presidential nominee in 2020. Paladin Dec 2018 #44

Who said those things? LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #46

I'm not sure "toxic" is the right word... but, clearly, Joe does much better with Independents... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #88

Because she's polling below Trump Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #51

Biden is still bathing in Obama's reflected glory. That won't continue pnwmom Dec 2018 #55

Biden's Pre-Obama record will not hurt him much standingtall Dec 2018 #85

The Obama cover will only go so far EffieBlack Dec 2018 #87

It will go a lot further than you think standingtall Dec 2018 #94

Something tells me you're not a woman who remembers the Anita Hill hearings. pnwmom Dec 2018 #109

Anita Hill hearings were almost 20 years before he was Vice President standingtall Dec 2018 #118

Without Obama at the top of the ticket, he will NOT do fine. pnwmom Dec 2018 #125

He will do fine with minorities standingtall Dec 2018 #135

It could help him to have an African American as VP, but this won't help pnwmom Dec 2018 #138

You're speaking for all minority voters? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #140

Not sure what your inferring standingtall Dec 2018 #144

True - and that base of support is not limited to white people EffieBlack Dec 2018 #153

Agreed if Biden is going to run standingtall Dec 2018 #158

If Hillary had to answer for - again and again - 20-year-old legislation she didn't even vote for EffieBlack Dec 2018 #168

Yes. I want to know why Hillary giving a speech about that 1994 crime bill is responsible for betsuni Dec 2018 #181

This what Betsuni said ... Every single word EffieBlack Dec 2018 #188

+++++ infinity JHan Dec 2018 #317

Biden's son didn't die in Iraq. xor Dec 2018 #270

His legislation has helped to put millennials under a mountain of student loan debt pnwmom Dec 2018 #96

Would only hurt him in a primary standingtall Dec 2018 #102

Millennials always have an alternative -- they can decide not to vote at all. pnwmom Dec 2018 #108

And he will be able to deflect the right wing attacks standingtall Dec 2018 #110

Obama didn't make student loan debts dischargeable during bankruptcy. pnwmom Dec 2018 #112

but how many of them specifically want to discharge them treestar Dec 2018 #246

Many, like me, know of someone who did have to take bankruptcy pnwmom Dec 2018 #260

It's the kind of thing average and independent voters treestar Dec 2018 #262

It is so close to almost impossible that 99.1% of people IN BANKRUPTCY pnwmom Dec 2018 #263

That applies to ANY Democratic candidate ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #141

There are people older than millenials hurt by his bankruptcy reform JonLP24 Dec 2018 #159

Yes, that's true. But millennials often don't vote in high numbers, pnwmom Dec 2018 #165

I don't know if I'm a millenial JonLP24 Dec 2018 #167

I rather vote for Anita Hill n/t delisen Dec 2018 #130

Maybe you encourage her to run standingtall Dec 2018 #136

She is? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #57

It sure isn't a poll of Democrats I can tell you still_one Dec 2018 #63

Actually it is her standing amung Dems that has caused her to drop so much Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #111

Here's one: Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #223

You're going to be just as exhausted trying to get any other Dem "up to baseline" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #225

What poll is that? Obviously it isn't a poll of Democrats. You know, Democrats who determine who still_one Dec 2018 #61

I'm not pushing a Hillary run or discouraging a Biden candidacy EffieBlack Dec 2018 #67

I realize exactly the point you were making Effie. It was brilliant, though I think still_one Dec 2018 #80

I don't think it is progressives pushing Biden JonLP24 Dec 2018 #150

How can that be? treestar Dec 2018 #101

Here you go Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #114

It is higher than it appears to have been in 2016 treestar Dec 2018 #119

I would like neither of them to run & both of them to campaign for dem candidates. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2018 #66

I reject your premise since I don't think it's an awesome idea for Biden to run. elocs Dec 2018 #73

I want them both to run. sellitman Dec 2018 #79

People are really high on a Biden/Beto ticket. violetpastille Dec 2018 #82

Biden is a white dude. A white dude will rescue us nt LexVegas Dec 2018 #84

What a stupid fucking question made just for clickbait bitterross Dec 2018 #86

Thanks for taking the time to write a 6-paragraph response to my "stupid fucking clickbait" question EffieBlack Dec 2018 #90

You're welcome. bitterross Dec 2018 #95

Your explanation actually made a lot of sense... well done!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #314

IMO it is possible people want the establishment back treestar Dec 2018 #104

I'd like to think you are correct. bitterross Dec 2018 #105

Gee, for a For a "stupid fucking question made just for clickbait", you sure gave a long response still_one Dec 2018 #235

I don't think Biden meets with much approval on DU treestar Dec 2018 #91

I mostly hear... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #106

Biden has a shot... Baconator Dec 2018 #267

It's the Misogyny and It's Not Just Directed at Hillary dlk Dec 2018 #107

You know, that is pretty offensive hueymahl Dec 2018 #120

Don't assume that Dotard will be running again. Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #115

+1 violetpastille Dec 2018 #121

You also shouldn't assume that divisive figures won't R B Garr Dec 2018 #198

Because he's a great campaigner, and she's not. RichardRay Dec 2018 #129

It's certainly true that Joe's one helluva campaigner; another check in the plus column for him. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #145

She's a better candidate than he is EffieBlack Dec 2018 #149

I'll never understand, it's a very weird "inconsistent" metric that is applied. JHan Dec 2018 #178

I know, right? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #189

I can only think of 1 explanation for the pro-Biden, anti-Clinton crowd. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #222

I have no doubt EffieBlack Dec 2018 #224

agreed. It's fairly transparent. JHan Dec 2018 #236

She just BARELY beat Trump RichardRay Dec 2018 #220

Just "BARELY" - by 3 miillion votes (not counting the stolen ones) EffieBlack Dec 2018 #221

My back is fine, thank you. RichardRay Dec 2018 #282

Yes, it often gets out of joint at the powerful odor of hypocrisy ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #285

She destroyed Trump in all three debates, even with the media spinning for him StevieM Dec 2018 #292

Yep, she did RichardRay Dec 2018 #320

I disagree that Trumop won them as campaign events. I remember them benefitting her at the time StevieM Dec 2018 #321

I don't think either should run. alphafemale Dec 2018 #132

Not feeling Biden either. BlueWI Dec 2018 #137

This is a waste of time PJMcK Dec 2018 #156

Where did she definitively rule out another run? kennetha Dec 2018 #160

You completely missed my point EffieBlack Dec 2018 #169

Neither should run. Nor go away. Just help other Dems get elected as needed. Nanjeanne Dec 2018 #166

Misogyny lunamagica Dec 2018 #170

I mean, it's pretty clear - Dems have already lost a presidential election with Hillary. Drunken Irishman Dec 2018 #171

Biden hasn't lost yet. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #172

If Hillary wants to run again, then she should Gothmog Dec 2018 #174

her choice; I'd vote for her Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #176

Good question caraher Dec 2018 #177

Biden doesn't have the stigma of a presidential loss John Fante Dec 2018 #179

No one does, other than Clinton, Kerry, Mondale, and Dukakis EffieBlack Dec 2018 #190

Losing a primary doesn't have the same negative effect. John Fante Dec 2018 #194

if she ran again, would she be the presumptive nominee? KayF Dec 2018 #180

Anyone should run if they want to, but the party should in no way prefer one Vinca Dec 2018 #183

I don't know that I want Biden, but Hillary already lost to dump. D23MIURG23 Dec 2018 #184

Because Uncle Joe is seen as a white working class hero. betsuni Dec 2018 #187

Duh -- because of a penis obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #195

No, because she has too much baggage and is too polarizing. Biden is Biden and Hillary is Hillary. LBM20 Dec 2018 #197

I have watched the RW use her as a punching bag for almost 30 years. There's your "baggage" and Hekate Dec 2018 #201

That Biden's baggage gets ignored sort of proves the poster's point. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #206

society finds women's baggage heavier treestar Dec 2018 #247

This mcar Dec 2018 #200

Misogyny dressed up as political punditry Hekate Dec 2018 #202

It Somewhat Seems that Way erpowers Dec 2018 #283

Because some people think Joe Biden can win the swing states. njhoneybadger Dec 2018 #208

That seems to be more of a problem on DU than among actual voters EffieBlack Dec 2018 #213

Some, without saying it outright, seem to think we must nominate a white male. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #214

I think you nailed it. EffieBlack Dec 2018 #215

I'll say it outright; I think it gives us a better shot. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #226

I think turnout for our nominee will be greater if we nominate a woman or person of color. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #227

Donnelly and McCaskill voted against Rapey Brett. BlueStater Dec 2018 #228

Obviously, I disagree, but I'm open to possibilities. /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #230

A woman or person of color is just as likely to pull in plenty of extra votes EffieBlack Dec 2018 #231

I don't believe that will be the case until we fix the gerrymandering LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #242

People said that in 2008 back when America wasn't ready for a black president EffieBlack Dec 2018 #232

Neither do we overcome it by irrational pandering LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #250

Running a minority or female candidate is "irrational pandering?" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #253

Yes, if that is the only reason for doing so. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #255

Why did you bring up Palin? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #258

It was in response to your "America wasn't ready for a black president" LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #261

You rally believe that the only reason Obama won was because of Palin? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #268

No, I didn't say that was the only reason. You're just picking a fight, and I'm not interested /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #271

You keep denying you meant what you just said EffieBlack Dec 2018 #273

Me Too not liking Biden for his actions treestar Dec 2018 #245

First of all, we're talking about getting the nomination. Not the general election. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #265

oh sure, I agree treestar Dec 2018 #319

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Dec 2018 #233

I can't decide between Jerry Brown and Walter Mondale Bucky Dec 2018 #234

It's not Dorian Gray Dec 2018 #239

Because 48 percent of the Country really loves her quaker bill Dec 2018 #241

I hope neither of them runs Bettie Dec 2018 #243

Who has said what your OP says? thesquanderer Dec 2018 #248

Hillary has stated she is not running. Period. tavernier Dec 2018 #249

Electability zaj Dec 2018 #251

Biden's lost twice before when he ran on his own EffieBlack Dec 2018 #254

Biden reinvested himself... plus hes naturally charming. zaj Dec 2018 #275

Simple GitRDun Dec 2018 #252

Even though I feel Hillary would be the best candidate lancelyons Dec 2018 #257

Is anyone really saying that? Or are two statements being confused for one? Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #259

The republican hate machine was successful Crazyleftie Dec 2018 #264

We need our best candidate... Baconator Dec 2018 #266

Because the only metric should be "WHO HAS THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN" scheming daemons Dec 2018 #269

Exactly this /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #272

You must have missed the fact that the GOP and Russians STOLE WI, MI, PA from Hillary EffieBlack Dec 2018 #274

Because she lost once already Yuorik57 Dec 2018 #276

Hillary lost the general election. Biden never ran in the general. MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #286

You're right - Biden never lost a General because he was never able to make it to the general EffieBlack Dec 2018 #287

Kerry shouldn't run either because he lost the general. MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #289

Since you brought up precedent ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #290

You're right. MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #291

Carson, Cruz, and Rubio aren't white, so more than one. n/t BlueStater Dec 2018 #315

Beto been speaking to prominent black Democrats in recent days. Gothmog Dec 2018 #298

Because Biden never won the Democratic Party's nomination, Hillary has Polybius Dec 2018 #302

I know. Nixon was also the last vice president to win the presidency without directly following the EffieBlack Dec 2018 #304

Nixon never should have run again Polybius Dec 2018 #306

This explains why so many Bernie supporters came out swinging against Beto O'Rourke this week Gothmog Dec 2018 #322