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Bucky

(53,947 posts)
93. Fair enough
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 12:52 AM
Dec 2018

1. I think it's unnecessarily harsh to say that if I've benefited from institutional racism, I am therefore racist. I'm sorry, but that sounds like self-flagellation.

Just like some Libertarians go to the most severe form of anti-government beliefs to show there 'comrades' that they're sincere in believing what the rest of the group wants, just like Republicans swallow the BS about voter fraud (all the way up to believing Black Panther voter intimidation tactics and mass conspiracies of illegal aliens voting in California) just to rationalize their support for voter suppression efforts... There are people in the left who embrace extremist rhetoric like "all white people are racist" out of a commitment to rejecting racism. But it's misguided and divisive to the left and insulting to everyone.

Racism is something you believe. People do not believe things because of their skin color. We have free will. Sure, our experiences shape our understanding. But I've never met a problem that could be fixed by throwing labels around.

Sustaining the argument all white people are racist requires a complete redefinition of what "racism" means. I would very seriously doubt if you have any intentions of promoting racial discrimination. I very seriously doubt there's any part of you that buys into ideas of racial hierarchies. I sure know that these things don't apply to me. I am not a racist. Throwing pejorative terms around doesn't do anything to promote social justice.

2. Institutional racism is obviously a problem. But just like you don't feed starving people by giving up food, you don't end discrimination by sloughing off your white privilege.

For that matter white privilege isn't something you can actually give up. That's why it's called institutional racism, it's cooked into the American casserole. And obsessing about its impact on white people seriously distracts from where the focus should be, on those Americans who are being deprived of equal treatment under the law.

Besides which, framing all aspects of the American experience in terms of race tends to promote a victimization view of African Americans. That is demeaning to the full personhood of someone we are supposed to stand as allies with.

I guess what I'm saying is sweeping generalizations are not conducive to improving the country. Like any full plate, you can only tackle it one bite at a time.

3. I think the origin of this labeling approach to social justice comes from a genuine desire to challenge people's experiences and understanding. But you challenge stale notions and open peoples' eyes by offering a fresh understanding of events that demonstrate racial inequality. That requires opening a dialogue and building communication

Telling someone is they're a racist and don't know their own mind doesn't promote a dialogue, doesn't challenge anybody's perspectives, and works to shut down communication.

Here in Texas I'm involved with a group called SURJ (which stands for something something Racial Justice). Our work involves doing things and showing up, not diagnosing things from the sidelines, and not self-indulging in non-productive self-criticism. We build partnerships with other activist groups and take direct action where racist authorities need to be challenged.

I recommend being actively involved in building bridges with all people. Labels and gratuitous social divisions helps sustain injustice. People learning each other and connecting is always the first step in undermining injustice

Now that you mention it, black women sure have saved our Party's bacon a lot lately. brush Dec 2018 #1
There is something interesting about white men getting credit for chaining themselves to black women EffieBlack Dec 2018 #2
Nailed it! NurseJackie Dec 2018 #4
Not only that, but black women (and men) who wonder why they're still getting credit 50 years later EffieBlack Dec 2018 #5
Thanks for adding black men to the equation. We were/are the second highest... brush Dec 2018 #10
I had a post of mine alerted on and taken down when I responded that... brush Dec 2018 #8
Wow EffieBlack Dec 2018 #14
Jeez, I think that is a stretch curlyred Dec 2018 #23
Yeah, I believe you and that might do it for me. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #26
I hope that you appealed that hide. yardwork Dec 2018 #78
I reposted in the AA group but that was taken down too. I appealed both. brush Dec 2018 #83
as if she's just a prop, doing nothing Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #72
Yeah, no kidding!!! calimary Dec 2018 #84
Exactly. madaboutharry Dec 2018 #101
Saved the Party?? Bleacher Creature Dec 2018 #6
Thank you. brush Dec 2018 #9
They've saved the party, saved the country, Mister Ed Dec 2018 #13
Yeah, once you extrapolate it out, you're right. brush Dec 2018 #52
Yes, standing O to black women for their contribution to Democratic victories... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #104
Vote as black women vote MrScorpio Dec 2018 #3
This is what I try to do mcar Dec 2018 #42
That's my plan ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #49
yes... handmade34 Dec 2018 #7
If he's the candidate, I'm voting for him happily. Iggo Dec 2018 #11
Exactly! Catch2.2 Dec 2018 #24
Me too... gladly! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #109
Interesting responses on that twitter thread. ;) sheshe2 Dec 2018 #12
Sheshe, which tweet thread did you read? irisblue Dec 2018 #16
The first one... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #19
YES INDEED. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #15
That image of BS has the exact opposite effect on me that his supporters want it to have. violetpastille Dec 2018 #17
Not all of them. The Mrs. would die rather than vote for tRump, n/t Stonepounder Dec 2018 #21
That sign is a lie. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #27
A Woman Named Angela Peoples Made That Sign. She Says: violetpastille Dec 2018 #28
The sign says "White women voted for Trump." Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #30
52 Percent of White Women Who Voted - Voted For Trump violetpastille Dec 2018 #41
The sign says "White women voted for Trump." Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #43
In your own experience then, forget the exit polls violetpastille Dec 2018 #46
Put your thinking cap on. That's a manipulation tactic. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #47
Here's the lesson we didn't learn in 1865 violetpastille Dec 2018 #51
Wow, the truth has spoken. brush Dec 2018 #57
So you want racists to clean up racism? Bucky Dec 2018 #66
Why wait? violetpastille Dec 2018 #73
Now you're just confusing me Bucky Dec 2018 #75
Well said (nt) mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #76
Okay. I'm being sincere here. Next it's your turn to tell me where you are coming from. violetpastille Dec 2018 #79
+1. Iggo Dec 2018 #90
Fair enough Bucky Dec 2018 #93
The only important point we disagree on is this one: violetpastille Dec 2018 #100
+1000 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #106
Very true!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #105
"Not all white women" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #33
Not all white men, either. Iggo Dec 2018 #39
What matters is who the Democratic members voted for. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #48
The purpose... Iggo Dec 2018 #54
"They" do not. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #58
I'm falling for nothing. Iggo Dec 2018 #60
I wish we could discuss issues and if not dumb it down to demographics Bucky Dec 2018 #50
Can I rec this 1000 times? mcar Dec 2018 #18
United we stand, divided we fall. watoos Dec 2018 #20
Thank you! Catch2.2 Dec 2018 #25
If only. JudyM Dec 2018 #38
Sounds like a great idea to me. As for Willis... George II Dec 2018 #22
I agree-elect the black woman Gothmog Dec 2018 #29
some people think she means Kamala Harris KayF Dec 2018 #31
I'd be happy to vote for her a seventh time. Iggo Dec 2018 #40
It is a "clever" tweet but misses the substance of the first. . . pdsimdars Dec 2018 #32
It didn't miss the substance of the first tweet at all... That's the point EffieBlack Dec 2018 #35
Oh, I didn't know she was into politics and running for president? pdsimdars Dec 2018 #44
You really did miss the point. yardwork Dec 2018 #69
Yep. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #103
Or, perhaps you meant that IF she had continued in politics pdsimdars Dec 2018 #59
He went all the way to Vermont to fight. yardwork Dec 2018 #70
So he is extraordinarily noble because he "CHOSE" to fight while she had no choice? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #85
Couldn't agree more. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #110
Then why do you give her extra credit for being black? Seriously. pdsimdars Dec 2018 #111
I have clearer thinking because of this discussion pdsimdars Dec 2018 #112
A lot of us marched a few times in the 60s and 70s. yardwork Dec 2018 #68
Can a black woman win in 2020? That's really the question, not whether it's deserved or not. jalan48 Dec 2018 #34
It depends on who she is... You know, just like any white male candidate. EffieBlack Dec 2018 #36
Yes, and all black women interested in running for President should be encouraged to run in the jalan48 Dec 2018 #45
I think we're a little bit past that Bucky Dec 2018 #55
I'm not quite sure what you are past but the primaries will determine who gets the nomination. jalan48 Dec 2018 #63
I responded to your silly question Bucky Dec 2018 #64
My apologies if I offended you. To my knowledge no black woman has ever been the Party jalan48 Dec 2018 #74
a black woman would have won georgia governor but it was stolen from her JI7 Dec 2018 #80
Funny you should mention this ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #91
Thank you! EffieBlack Dec 2018 #97
I would take Stacy Abrams over Beto O'Rourke in a heartbeat! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #107
The black woman from the civil rights protest, or any black woman? IronLionZion Dec 2018 #37
What if we just elected A woman? Bianca0293 Dec 2018 #53
We did Bucky Dec 2018 #56
Ok, what is her name? aikoaiko Dec 2018 #61
Great question... WeekiWater Dec 2018 #98
Such a disengenuous insinuation and unnecessarily divisive LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #62
Thank you. klook Dec 2018 #87
You are exactly right LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #115
One of the replies in the twitter thread suggested that... SidDithers Dec 2018 #65
Nah. There's not enough room on the ticket for both of them... yardwork Dec 2018 #71
Immediate follow. yardwork Dec 2018 #67
Would love to... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #77
Mitch Mcconnell marched for civil rights also JI7 Dec 2018 #81
Interesting that the "THIS!" tweet was by a white woman but the pro-Bernie tweet oberliner Dec 2018 #82
Why? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #86
I would've assumed it was the other way around oberliner Dec 2018 #114
Reposting because, judging by some of the comments here, it needs to be reiterated EffieBlack Dec 2018 #88
K & R X 10000!!! revmclaren Dec 2018 #89
his supporters booed John Lewis JI7 Dec 2018 #94
+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #95
Just, wow. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Dec 2018 #102
K&R betsuni Dec 2018 #92
Good going on Sanders. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #96
Not true...Bernie's policies are a HUGE hit with the national progressive movement... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #108
I did not say his one track policies weren't popular. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #113
My husband is firmly of the belief Bettie Dec 2018 #99
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