Trump is an Illegitimate President Due to a Conspiracy with a Hostile Foreign Power [View all]

As the evidence continues to be revealed, we need to keep in mind this makes all of Trump’s appointments and all of his nominations for appointments illegitimate. It also makes all of their collective decisions and rules illegitimate. This goes far beyond a Constitutional crisis. What are the solutions that I believe go far beyond impeachment of Trump? Robert Reich has suggested an annulment. What would that look like? We are in uncharted territory and new solutions are called for. Otherwise, I believe America is over and done.

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Trump is an Illegitimate President Due to a Conspiracy with a Hostile Foreign Power [View all]	dlk	Jan 2019	OP
We are far from over, but, we are seriously sick.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#1
Sounds nice, but.	ginnyinWI	Jan 2019	#2
The electoral college gambit would NOT have worked if Traitor Trump had not conspired	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2019	#30
This goes far beyond the Electoral College	dlk	Jan 2019	#3
I believe you have missed the point . . .	MousePlayingDaffodil	Jan 2019	#4
Well...Thats one persons opinion.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#12
The electoral college is beside the point here. Trump is indeed illegitimate in a big way.	triron	Jan 2019	#26
+1	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#62
I feel like people take the wrong way to look at this.	sarah FAILIN	Jan 2019	#8
Fun factoid from that article...	LisaM	Jan 2019	#54
That is interesting	sarah FAILIN	Jan 2019	#65
I Believe You Have Glossed Over the Fact of the Russian Conspiracy	dlk	Jan 2019	#5
Sadly, breaking the law to win still counts as a win	Buckeyeblue	Jan 2019	#6
This Complicated Web Will Take Years, If Ever, to Untangle	dlk	Jan 2019	#9
The answer to your question, as I see it . . .	MousePlayingDaffodil	Jan 2019	#7
If that's the Case, Doesn't that Invite Future and Even Further Foreign Interference?	dlk	Jan 2019	#10
This isn't all that difficult . . .	MousePlayingDaffodil	Jan 2019	#33
Hip Hip Huzzah.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#13
Can we finally come to the realization that...	Joe941	Jan 2019	#11
How about we remove the russian and install who won?	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#14
I Believe More Than Trump Should Be Removed From Office	dlk	Jan 2019	#15
+1	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#74
So we should just ignore the Constitution?	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#19
Americans care about fairness - this is not fair!	Joe941	Jan 2019	#34
So we should just ignore the Constitution?	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#49
The constitution failed to foresee this situation - therefore the constitution can't remedy it.	Joe941	Jan 2019	#63
Sure it can. It's right there in said Constitution. Impeachment and conviction.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#64
Yep.	triron	Jan 2019	#35
And you'll be cool with that when the Republicans do it, right? 'Cause you know they will.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#50
I've become increasingly alarmed . . .	MousePlayingDaffodil	Jan 2019	#55
HRC said we have to fight hard and ugly THEN go back to the rules.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#40
No. Mrs. Clinton would never suggest disregarding the Constitution.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#51
i beg to differ. She didnt say those words exactly.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#52
Run the suggestion that we just throw out the Constitution past her.......	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#56
I didnt say the constitution.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#57
You're making no earthly sense.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#58
G'bye. I won't be seeing you again. Have a good weekend.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#59
Appropriate response when you can't raise an actual, logical argument.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#60
I wonder. If the shoe was on the other foot, would the Rs say, oh well, he was	KPN	Jan 2019	#16
Republicans, Guns in Hand, Would Have Been Rioting in the Streets	dlk	Jan 2019	#18
Good point.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jan 2019	#45
Fuck no they wouldn't be laying down for it, if HRC had lost the popular vote	Crunchy Frog	Jan 2019	#71
We got by the stolen election of 2000 and 2004 and if the true facts	INdemo	Jan 2019	#17
Got by? How so? Look where we are now.	KPN	Jan 2019	#22
You are coreect but what Im talking about	INdemo	Jan 2019	#37
Okay. When we survive this one, we had	KPN	Jan 2019	#38
+10000	triron	Jan 2019	#20
+20000	iluvtennis	Jan 2019	#25
To Minimize Future Election Thefts, Our Voting Systems Need to be Cleaned Up	dlk	Jan 2019	#21
Absolutely!	StarzGuy	Jan 2019	#23
yeah, we have definitely pretty much conceded that we've lost the Space Race n/t	anarch	Jan 2019	#41
It has nothing to do with whether Congress has spine or not.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#43
To suggest that Trump is legitimate is to say that the Constitution really is a suicide pact...	First Speaker	Jan 2019	#24
Mass protests	maltzmax	Jan 2019	#27
We're up for it. If the organization happens, we''ll be there again.	ffr	Jan 2019	#29
Obviously,	cilla4progress	Jan 2019	#28
Correction, it should be "due to an ongoing conspiracy with a hostile foreign power"	cstanleytech	Jan 2019	#31
Many of us here have suspected that from theft..er, election..night	NRaleighLiberal	Jan 2019	#32
Actually make that TWO hostile foreign powers.	Initech	Jan 2019	#36
we have no constitutional remedy for this kind of situation - the America that was, is gone	anarch	Jan 2019	#39
No he's not...	brooklynite	Jan 2019	#42
Not this again.	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2019	#44
Proof positive that hope really does spring eternal.	WillowTree	Jan 2019	#53
And leads to denial of reality.	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2019	#61
I have news for you. You'll be hearing more and more of "this again" as time goes on...	First Speaker	Jan 2019	#68
It remains meaningless, a fantasy, a pointless distraction.	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2019	#70
Yes, the trump presidency is invalid.	patphil	Jan 2019	#46
Totally agree!	1democracy	Jan 2019	#47
Oh goody	sarisataka	Jan 2019	#48
This has always been a strong possibility, for me.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2019	#66
I guarantee as the evidence	humbled_opinion	Jan 2019	#67
Pence s Pardon Power is for federal offense s.....	pbmus	Jan 2019	#77
This has been brought up numerous times before	DetroitLegalBeagle	Jan 2019	#69
YAAAAAAS!!!!!!! nt	Baltimike	Jan 2019	#72
I agree with the title but not that	Cha	Jan 2019	#73
kick for visibility	triron	Jan 2019	#75
Agree	Meowmee	Jan 2019	#76