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Igel

(35,300 posts)
30. So much talking past each other.
Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jan 2019

Her claim was simple but you have to read it instead of assume you know what it means.

One person--one--in the news article takes on her claim and challenges it, but in a way that basically says, "She's citing a bad source" and, at the same time, saying, "If it's true, it's a coincidence, so who the hell knows for sure?" Followed by the true but in some ways irrelevant "but the Republican party of today isn't like the one during in the decades after the Civil War."

Confused? Yeah.

Her claim can be paraphrased this way:

1. In the relevant years, there were a number of white Republicans who were lynched.

2. During those same years, there were a number of black Republicans who were lynched.

3. Those two numbers are the same or nearly so.

This means that the total number of lynched blacks versus lynched whites is meaningless (although it's always good to remind people that lynching isn't race neutral but also isn't race specific). All that matters for the truth of her absurdly specific claim is that the number of Republicans who were lynched and black is about the same as the number of Republicans who were lynched and white. If this were a reading test, most people would have failed.

I, for one, would be surprised that anybody could show this to be true. Or, for that matter, false--seriously, for the set of people lynched, who kept political party documentation? However, the lack of evidence isn't proof that the claim is false, so maybe it's trivially true--few were lynched for their party affiliation per se. The one person taking the claim head on, in proper fashion (instead of tackling a strawman with great force and purpose, followed by smug strutting), merely says that she got the claim from a book, Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White, and that the book was in error. (Reading between the lines I sense that this applies in a general sense, not just to this claim, i.e., "the book is a joke" but the guy didn't explicitly and clearly go there). I'd have liked numbers, but if they exist, I'd be quietly surprised.

Now, the current (R) and former (R) parties are quite different, so the truth or falseness of the claim appears to be really irrelevant to her speech and the connections she seems to draw.

Saine is insane. dhol82 Jan 2019 #1
Even if that were true, there were 7-8x the amount of Whites than Blacks--do it'd be disproportunate TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #26
Like Jews and Germans were murdered at equal rates. Croney Jan 2019 #2
i know your intent Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #19
Yes, decent religious leaders and others who opposed what was happening Hortensis Jan 2019 #21
Yes you're right, thanks for the correction. I knew something was off but Croney Jan 2019 #29
Sadly, nothing surprises me any more NRaleighLiberal Jan 2019 #3
White Horse Thieves and Murderers got hanged - for crimes. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #4
How do these brain dead cretins Ohiogal Jan 2019 #5
Cheating...nt 2naSalit Jan 2019 #13
Like everywhere we have some awful mountain grammy Jan 2019 #6
Well, they used to Lynch a lot of Sicilians down south Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #7
There is an alternative reality operating here Gothmog Jan 2019 #8
This Dipshite watches to many Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #9
Here's a useful website with a color-coded map struggle4progress Jan 2019 #10
Well, this is embarrassing. madamesilverspurs Jan 2019 #11
Oh god not again. The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #15
Wish I didn't! madamesilverspurs Jan 2019 #16
Poor Ft. Collins. The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #17
Ft. Collins is in Larimer County. madamesilverspurs Jan 2019 #18
Here's the video Ms. Toad Jan 2019 #20
A hanging is not a lynching. AJT Jan 2019 #12
Entitled white victimhood...A certifiable mental illness beachbum bob Jan 2019 #14
All conservative speakers are blowing false equalization smoke these days. Hortensis Jan 2019 #22
Ahhh, somebody tell this fucking asshole that "The Oxbow Incident" was only a movie!!! winstars Jan 2019 #23
The actual stat is 73 percent were black and 27 percent were white oberliner Jan 2019 #24
Here's a list canetoad Jan 2019 #28
uh..Damn. Solly Mack Jan 2019 #25
If by "whites" she means Italians, Irish, Jews, Catholics yeah, they also got lynched. McCamy Taylor Jan 2019 #27
So much talking past each other. Igel Jan 2019 #30
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