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shanny

(6,709 posts)
37. Saw something linked on DK that made that point also
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jan 2019

and went into the implications down the road:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/2020-primary-biden-and-betos-aid-to-gop-candidates-in-2018-is-disqualifying.html

Ultimately, what makes Biden and O’Rourke’s conduct disqualifying is not the effect it may (or may not) have had in 2018, but rather, what it says about how they will govern in 2021. If Democrats want to treat climate change as an existential threat — and health care and the franchise as inalienable rights — then they will need to treat the Republican Party as an enemy.

Bipartisan overtures will never persuade congressional Republicans to vote against the interests of fossil fuel companies, or back dramatic expansions in public health insurance, or dismantle election laws that give their coalition wildly disproportionate power. Only a unified, Democratic government — that is willing to ruthlessly prioritize ideological goals over bipartisan comity — will have any chance of overcoming our legislative system’s copious veto points, and passing anything resembling a proportionate response to our nation’s climate, health-care, and democratic crises into law.

Our country paid a big price for the Democrats’ failure to do this the last time around. Had 51 Senate Democrats been willing to kill the legislative filibuster in 2009, they could have passed cap-and-trade, a version of the ACA that included a public option, a stimulus package proportional to the severity of the Great Recession, more foreclosure relief, card check for unions, and citizenship for all 11 million undocumented immigrants on a party-line vote. In so doing, they quite likely would have prevented Donald Trump from ever becoming president; add a few million more immigrants to the electorate — and a couple percentage points to the rate of private-sector unionization — and you end up with a country that is both more democratic and more Democratic.

sounds good to me..I have always backed a biden/harris ticket... samnsara Jan 2019 #1
They have been my preliminary dream team as well. lark Jan 2019 #35
Kaisch is a dangerous opponent. He can sound reasonable most of the time but he is a snake. It allgood33 Jan 2019 #38
Good scenario. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #2
But an optimistic guess hardly justifies "Happy Days Are Here Again!" Towlie Jan 2019 #30
Biden too old. Nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #3
And Nancy P too old to be a good speaker. Too old like that?? Cousin Dupree Jan 2019 #5
So no age is too old? 90, 100, 110? Really? Nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #10
If someone is capable of doing a job, why should their age disqualify them? Cousin Dupree Jan 2019 #15
Senator Byrd comes to mind...when he spoke...I listened...for a long long time. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #46
Age discrimination Soxfan58 Jan 2019 #28
I'm about getting a younger man or woman who serves 2 terms and excites young voters! Nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #41
Ya know the whole 35 year old thing right? zipplewrath Jan 2019 #42
Definitely loyalsister Jan 2019 #43
I'm not the biggest Biden fan (although I'd absolutely vote for him if he's the nominee), BUT.... RobDennis Jan 2019 #53
We need younger canidates who can pull in younger voters. Nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #54
I agree, but that doesn't disqualify older ones with more experience under their belts. RobDennis Jan 2019 #55
Biden is not too lod calguy Jan 2019 #58
why would republicans that support Trump nominate Kasich ? JI7 Jan 2019 #4
They won't. The Trumpers were a lot of first time voters. Funtatlaguy Jan 2019 #7
most Republicans support trump. JI7 Jan 2019 #9
It's verylukewarm. They like lower taxes/regulations/conservative judges. Funtatlaguy Jan 2019 #12
no. they enjoy his bigotry JI7 Jan 2019 #18
A significant segment does and they wouldn't vote for Nikki Haley. Funtatlaguy Jan 2019 #19
The RNC is busy changing rules NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #6
No they aren't. former9thward Jan 2019 #45
Why are they running ads against the rules changes NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #47
It is a tweet by Bill Kristol. former9thward Jan 2019 #49
In both 1984 and 2004 NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #52
No they didn't. former9thward Jan 2019 #62
How would Kasich/Haley happen if the GOP shuts down their primaries? Siwsan Jan 2019 #8
Even if this happens, Mueller's report will change things. Funtatlaguy Jan 2019 #14
Hopefully! Siwsan Jan 2019 #17
Help us, Obi-Wan Mueller, you're our only hope! Towlie Jan 2019 #34
No primaries are being cancelled. former9thward Jan 2019 #50
It did seem a bit strange to send out such a sign of outright panic about being primaried Siwsan Jan 2019 #51
Did it seem strange when the DNC backed Obama for re-election in 2012? former9thward Jan 2019 #60
I don't recall anyone, serious, threatening to primary President Obama. Siwsan Jan 2019 #61
Is Jason Voorhees (Slate.com) reputable? He's got a post today about Biden helping a GOP Rep. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #11
Jason Voorhees? rownesheck Jan 2019 #13
Probably a Freudian slip. . . Josh Voorhees. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #16
Saw something linked on DK that made that point also shanny Jan 2019 #37
You lost me at "moderate wing" of GOP. "Anti-Trump" would make at least bullwinkle428 Jan 2019 #20
I guess I needed more explanation. Funtatlaguy Jan 2019 #21
Too late to walk away? exboyfil Jan 2019 #27
Biden/Harris wouldn't surprise me obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #22
We heard it here last too Renew Deal Jan 2019 #23
He never has. MoonRiver Jan 2019 #36
Nikki Haley will have to get through the primaries if they have them. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2019 #24
So that's a best case scenario, and I wish I were that optimistic. jpljr77 Jan 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #26
I like a possiblity mainstreetonce Jan 2019 #29
Given the GOP is meeting tomorrow to vote on a proposition to do away with the GOP Primary... DonViejo Jan 2019 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Stuart G Jan 2019 #56
Never happen... Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #32
I'm not sure that Biden will run now EffieBlack Jan 2019 #33
Not my first choice, but I could live with it... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #39
So, it's 2 old white men with their little helpers WhiteTara Jan 2019 #40
Kasich has officially joined CNN now IcyPeas Jan 2019 #44
A very plausible outcome. Well done. Joe941 Jan 2019 #48
I think a Warren/Harris ticket would be Kickass! TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #57
Lots of good candidates. I think it will be whoever is the best Hassler Jan 2019 #59
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