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Blue_true

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113. Bernie has several big headwind issues.

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:46 AM

Jan 2019

He will get vetted this time. He has the tax return issue, not releasing them won't be an option this time. He has the issue of how female staffers were treated in his 2016 campaign. He has candidates like Senator Warren who is a better fit for many of his 2016 supporters than he is.

My sense is that a large field helps candidates like Gillibrand, because there is going to be a core of support for them that is significant. If such a candidate has enough money to stay in a fractured field, the candidates could end up with a solid delegate count once the shakeout is done.

Of course, a candidate like Senator Harris has the capacity to lap the field fast.

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Another reason I think Bernie will have a tough row to hoe if he runs [View all] EffieBlack Jan 2019 OP

Ego tripping. we can do it Jan 2019 #1

It takes ego to run for president qazplm135 Jan 2019 #2

Why I didn't vote for Bernie in 2016 & DownriverDem Jan 2019 #50

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but luvtheGWN Jan 2019 #59

And when he joined the dems he drained votes away from Hillary. GemDigger Jan 2019 #109

"If there's no path to victory, what's his end game?" WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #3

Bernie tops progressive straw poll oberliner Jan 2019 #4

I'm not talking about a straw poll EffieBlack Jan 2019 #7

Aren't you drawing conclusions based on the results of your DU straw poll? oberliner Jan 2019 #9

Oh, come on, Boo - EffieBlack Jan 2019 #10

Understood oberliner Jan 2019 #35

He may. But if another candidate pulls more people away from Hortensis Jan 2019 #60

Jim Risch is no Democrat jmowreader Jan 2019 #95

Whoops, big brain fart! Boy, was our Dem. ranking member BOB MENENDEZ angry Hortensis Jan 2019 #108

Effie, you raise a good point. kstewart33 Jan 2019 #30

Some new voters like my grandson and his friends will. dogman Jan 2019 #37

Unfortunately, most oyung voters relayerbob Jan 2019 #51

wut? obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #11

He still seems to have a lot of support among progressives in the party oberliner Jan 2019 #38

And, he's lost a lot. Cha Jan 2019 #104

Ohhhh, now I see Bernie's end game... to win!!! Thanks for opening our eyes!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #13

You're welcome! oberliner Jan 2019 #39

DFA only polled their own members: George II Jan 2019 #65

It should be noted that this was a straw poll of Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #102

A straw poll of DFA members, 88 percent voted to have DFA endorse him for 2016 karynnj Jan 2019 #114

This poll suggests he may have a tough time with DUers milestogo Jan 2019 #5

Of course - it's a DU poll EffieBlack Jan 2019 #8

I wouldn't say DU is full of people who voted for Bernie in 2016 anymore. It was once, but not now. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #19

Agreed. DU has a lot less Bernie supporters left anymore Arazi Jan 2019 #36

A lot less indeed. David__77 Jan 2019 #92

Independent Bernie lost by nearly 4 million votes last time John Fante Jan 2019 #48

I see the same thing on twitter.. very Cha Jan 2019 #105

occam's razor. when sanders ran in 2016 nobody thought he would be runner up, Kurt V. Jan 2019 #6

Yes & he started with almost ZERO name recognition. Now he will start off with high poll numbers... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #15

Agree, this time he has name recognition and a email donation list. Autumn Jan 2019 #21

I'm not sure the name recognition is a benefit at this point. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #99

There were barely any other candidates to choose from besides him and Hillary. BlueStater Jan 2019 #22

6 i believe. we wont have that problem this time. Kurt V. Jan 2019 #25

It's All About the Math dlk Jan 2019 #12

Glad Hillary didn't listen to your advice... and then she went on to beat the Dotard. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #17

Hillary Won the Primary dlk Jan 2019 #111

So far 8 Democrats have announced they will run for President. Only Bernie will siphon Autumn Jan 2019 #20

You've completely missed my point. I didn't say anything of the sort EffieBlack Jan 2019 #23

I didn't say you said anything of the sort. That post was not to you, it was a response to another Autumn Jan 2019 #34

As usual Autumn, you get right to the heart of it... it truly is laughable!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #24

Why doesn't he run in his own party? cwydro Jan 2019 #42

If he ran as an Independent the Democrat on the ticket would lose votes. Autumn Jan 2019 #55

The young people who never show up to vote at all? cwydro Jan 2019 #63

You sure about that? Autumn Jan 2019 #66

Meh. Far more older voters turn out. cwydro Jan 2019 #68

Bernie might be history but we older voters won't live forever, the smart thing Autumn Jan 2019 #69

We can agree on that. cwydro Jan 2019 #77

Guess I misunderstood what you were sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #112

So 78 of the people on DU who wouldn't vote for him last time still won't vote for him again. Autumn Jan 2019 #14

hahaha!! good one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #16

And not one person said they didn't vote for him before but would vote for him now EffieBlack Jan 2019 #26

We'll see what the voters have to say. yardwork Jan 2019 #33

And in your poll you got 10 people who supported him last time and will support him again. Autumn Jan 2019 #40

I think you're overlooking the logic in Effie's post. yardwork Jan 2019 #43

No I'm really not. DU has few Sanders supporters and some of them ignore Autumn Jan 2019 #49

I see a lot of Good News on Twitter posts.. Cha Jan 2019 #100

I didn't even see this poll, so I never even voted in it and I am sure there are others. vsrazdem Jan 2019 #79

In his own bubble of support, mcar Jan 2019 #18

His game is the same as before. yardwork Jan 2019 #27

right.. same ol same ol Cha Jan 2019 #107

His end game? To not be exposed? ecstatic Jan 2019 #28

Has he joined the Democratic Party yet? dhol82 Jan 2019 #29

He is going to run as a Democrat oberliner Jan 2019 #31

Then when will he change his affiliation? dhol82 Jan 2019 #32

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #41

Trump ran as a Democrat? EffieBlack Jan 2019 #45

Roughly 77% of Sanders' voters did not vote for Hortensis Jan 2019 #115

Reminds me of Beetlejuice... 2naSalit Jan 2019 #44

This is petty af but thanks for "row to hoe." nolabear Jan 2019 #46

I always love it when someone uses the correct phrase dhol82 Jan 2019 #110

IMO Bernie is a candidate from Elections past who was unsuccessful democratisphere Jan 2019 #47

Yep that horse died a long time ago, but safeinOhio Jan 2019 #54

Agreed. Primaries without the influence of Russian controlled democratisphere Jan 2019 #76

He's going to have to OPENLY and explicitly address the misogynist climate in his last campaign... George II Jan 2019 #52

He clearly has lost support according to most polls dsc Jan 2019 #53

I think Sanders has a shot NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #56

How he uses the Democratic party doesn't set well with me. I don't like what he does in Vermont. catbyte Jan 2019 #57

I'll admit I'm one who really hopes Bernie doesn't run FakeNoose Jan 2019 #58

I don't see that he is even murielm99 Jan 2019 #88

There is the perfect time for candidates to run and Bernie's was the last election. Vinca Jan 2019 #61

He filled a pretty big ideological void last time BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #73

I am not seeing that, either. murielm99 Jan 2019 #90

Ah yes, the platform argument BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #93

Are you saying that is not true? murielm99 Jan 2019 #94

Blowin In The Wind Donkey king kong Jan 2019 #62

You just used a DU polll of like 123 people to make your assesment here? Okay... JCanete Jan 2019 #64

No it hasn't... No it's not. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #78

that's not true. There are absolutley landline polls in the mix. Where did you get your notion? nt JCanete Jan 2019 #81

Okay... there are landline polls "in the mix" ... sure. Go with that! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #82

I did. your counter is emogies. They aren't the best substitute for words. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #85

Aw. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #87

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. I'm sure you've got all the factual ammunition in the world...you JCanete Jan 2019 #89

It's not about me. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #91

feel free to pm me your facts.... JCanete Jan 2019 #96

I'll get right on that. Stand by. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #97

hahaha...yeah, we can both laugh about that one, can't we. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #101

It's like citing a DailKos poll on MSNBC.. disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #117

Most online spaces, and especially DU, are populated by highly self-selected groups. redgreenandblue Jan 2019 #67

Big question... chwaliszewski Jan 2019 #70

Isn't that question relevant... tonedevil Jan 2019 #83

This assumes that a DU poll is in any way representative guillaumeb Jan 2019 #71

solid evidence haydukelives Jan 2019 #72

Bernie could go after the rust belt states that Trump stole from Dems IronLionZion Jan 2019 #74

The Bernie/Hillary wars ripped DU apart. I hope that doesn't happen again. Politicub Jan 2019 #75

Help define the narrative Blue_playwright Jan 2019 #80

Interesting. I am in the second category. PatrickforO Jan 2019 #84

I do think his path through the primaries is more difficult this year Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #86

Bernie has several big headwind issues. Blue_true Jan 2019 #113

Add in Bernie's primary problem jmowreader Jan 2019 #98

No it's not scientific and holds no water. Why even post it? YOHABLO Jan 2019 #103

DU is not representative of the Democratic electorate andym Jan 2019 #106

Bernie will have a damn near impossible time trying to win Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #116