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In reply to the discussion: While every one was freaking out over the Northam news du jour, [View all]triron
(21,981 posts)41. That is unclear. It is only after the fact that NATO "supported it".
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/1/18206619/inf-treaty-usa-russia-pompeo-trump
"But it seems Trump made the announcement that he would be pulling the US out of the treaty before consulting with Americas European friends and theyre not happy about the decision. German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas last October called it a regrettable move, saying that the treaty is an important pillar of our European security architecture and that the US decision raises difficult questions for us and Europe.
Experts also point out that leaving the agreement will do little to make Russia want to abide by it. Punching out isnt going to bring them into compliance, and now lets them justify a buildup even more while painting us as the bad guys, said Vipin Narang, a nuclear expert at MIT.
These are legitimate worries. Its possible Russia could have been even more brazen in its development of ground-based cruise missiles, and that remaining a signatory in the agreement somewhat curbed Moscows ambitions. But if the US tears up the deal, Russia could openly and more quickly build up its arsenal all while claiming the US made it okay to do so.
That could kick-start a new arms race between the two countries, where each side would try to one-up the other with better weaponry. Washington and Moscow would grow their arsenals of ground-launched cruise missiles. That, along with other issues in the relationship, could potentially put both countries on the path to war, many worry."
"But it seems Trump made the announcement that he would be pulling the US out of the treaty before consulting with Americas European friends and theyre not happy about the decision. German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas last October called it a regrettable move, saying that the treaty is an important pillar of our European security architecture and that the US decision raises difficult questions for us and Europe.
Experts also point out that leaving the agreement will do little to make Russia want to abide by it. Punching out isnt going to bring them into compliance, and now lets them justify a buildup even more while painting us as the bad guys, said Vipin Narang, a nuclear expert at MIT.
These are legitimate worries. Its possible Russia could have been even more brazen in its development of ground-based cruise missiles, and that remaining a signatory in the agreement somewhat curbed Moscows ambitions. But if the US tears up the deal, Russia could openly and more quickly build up its arsenal all while claiming the US made it okay to do so.
That could kick-start a new arms race between the two countries, where each side would try to one-up the other with better weaponry. Washington and Moscow would grow their arsenals of ground-launched cruise missiles. That, along with other issues in the relationship, could potentially put both countries on the path to war, many worry."
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Don't know which members in Congress. I thought I read that it was Congress....
Honeycombe8
Feb 2019
#40
It is almost like the CORPORATE media does not have the well-being of Americans, or even humankind,
RockRaven
Feb 2019
#2
The idea that the media merely reports what is happening is utterly fallacious.
RockRaven
Feb 2019
#9
Correct. They are not your priorities, or mine. That's how it should be. The free press.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2019
#10
Not at all. My post is addressing the OP's issue of what they are NOT reporting.
RockRaven
Feb 2019
#15
The media is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own it. bumper sticker
CrispyQ
Feb 2019
#37
Not true. But if you think you can do better, I"m sure there are job openings...
Honeycombe8
Feb 2019
#43
Or just MAYBE, some people need to better understand that to black people and many of our allies,
EffieBlack
Feb 2019
#11
There is also manipulation in expecting people to react a certain way to racism in this country.
nini
Feb 2019
#22
Actually, the withdrawal happened before the photo disclosure. WHERE WERE YOU.
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2019
#31
The withdrawal from the treaty isn't that controversial - NATO supported, for instance
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2019
#38
No, I think that's clear. That article points out many say pulling out was a reasonable thing to do
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2019
#44
Distractions. Serously. Irrellevant. He can be un-elected next time. Done.
lindysalsagal
Feb 2019
#39
If the Russians don't stay in compliance, what's the point of staying in the treaty?
EX500rider
Feb 2019
#47