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hueymahl

(2,415 posts)
170. That is a red herring
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:03 PM
Feb 2019

I respect your views and other black peoples views, especially on racial matters.

We are still shooting one of our own. Just like we shot Al Franken. Many women made the same arguments you are making.

And I am not saying he should not resign. But it feels to me like a bit of a rush to justice, just like it felt with Franken.

please take the time to really read this eShirl Feb 2019 #1
+1 ariadne0614 Feb 2019 #172
Where are you see all these people defending Northam? left-of-center2012 Feb 2019 #2
Seeing it right here zentrum Feb 2019 #6
Well that is the point of a discussion board. And through discussion maybe you've changed a few UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #10
Rush to Judgement Roy Rolling Feb 2019 #56
Lots of places here on DU. Keep reading. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #7
I'm so sorry you're having to do this heavy lifting. Thank you for your work. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #3
I'm sorry, too EffieBlack Feb 2019 #8
Please LMK if you have a paypal so we can compensate you for your work. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #11
Hi Effie. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #83
He can work on his redemption as a former governor. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #111
I'm afraid you missed my point entirely. nt kstewart33 Feb 2019 #112
I suppose I did? Can you restate it? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #116
yeah you did. look at your own post 111. That's what was said. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #180
Yes, But. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #222
Well Said Roy Rolling Feb 2019 #236
WG just said what you did. you guys are agreeing. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #181
+1 ariadne0614 Feb 2019 #174
he cannot repent if he lies about doing it DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #228
That's one way of looking at it. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #230
This is an excellent hypo. But it's not on point EffieBlack Feb 2019 #231
+1 grantcart Feb 2019 #110
K and r. cwydro Feb 2019 #4
One poster said an African American DU member and Northam critic needed to get "over herself." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #5
Please tell me that got alerted on. marble falls Feb 2019 #21
+1. Hear, hear. (n/t) FreepFryer Feb 2019 #9
I don't support a no tolerance rule, but this guy has got to go. Baitball Blogger Feb 2019 #12
Voted for Shrub twice? He should resign! demosincebirth Feb 2019 #191
I don't understand what makes this person a Democrat. Baitball Blogger Feb 2019 #218
He puts his finger out in the wind and sees which way it is blowing, then he becomes a democrat. demosincebirth Feb 2019 #234
I wish I could recommend this a million times, Effie mcar Feb 2019 #13
+1 ariadne0614 Feb 2019 #173
Seeing the cavalcade of excuses being dished out last night was really kind of bullwinkle428 Feb 2019 #14
+One million PDittie Feb 2019 #232
"Forget it Jake" BootinUp Feb 2019 #15
Love it. kag Feb 2019 #90
Thank you for this, Effie. I always seem to learn from your posts. BIG K&R! SaveOurDemocracy Feb 2019 #16
I agree dsc Feb 2019 #17
Except there's no one monolithic response from a "minority" Boomer Feb 2019 #25
Please point out where I said all gays in my post dsc Feb 2019 #33
There's no one monolithic response from a majority, either. whathehell Feb 2019 #224
There are quite a few assumptions here... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #18
"What evidence to have of this beyond this picture?" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
So, none? TCJ70 Feb 2019 #23
Maybe the decent non-racist people you know dress up in blackface and Klan attire EffieBlack Feb 2019 #28
Say wut? Boomer Feb 2019 #35
But besides the anti-Semitic stuff they did, what proof you have that they're anti-semitic? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #36
Neither is OK. TCJ70 Feb 2019 #40
We do. Northam's VMI (undergrad) yearbook! B Stieg Feb 2019 #106
OK. But besides that, what do you have? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #108
Luv your posts, EB! B Stieg Feb 2019 #109
Right? NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #153
Videos are no help. Because they don't tell the WHOLE STORY EffieBlack Feb 2019 #156
We don't know what's in his heart mcar Feb 2019 #177
Reaching even further back... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #117
Rust never sleeps B Stieg Feb 2019 #125
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #30
No disagreement on the points in paragraph one: TCJ70 Feb 2019 #37
We all live in a racist society, and it's very, very difficult to unlearn institutionalized racism. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #46
This is a very difficult subject to comment on in view the Kavenaugh situation. Pepsidog Feb 2019 #71
They may not condone his behavior, but they excuse, which is just as bad. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #75
If they agree that he should pay no price for what most consider outrageous racism, then, yes, Atticus Feb 2019 #85
We do not "eat our own" Caliman73 Feb 2019 #121
+1 Little Star Feb 2019 #152
+1 ariadne0614 Feb 2019 #171
As to the third point there is another possibiity: that he didn't know about the photo. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #76
It's a rare bird who doens't look at themselves in a yearbook when it comes out. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #79
You may be right - but that was 35 years ago when he did not necessarily have political aspirations. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #103
Why don't we state this directly. BlueWI Feb 2019 #216
Not even close to what I said. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #219
The problem here is that cyclonefence Feb 2019 #38
+1000 ariadne0614 Feb 2019 #179
Just a photo? MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #41
Thank you for this mcar Feb 2019 #178
The photo itself is an example of hateful bigotry. yardwork Feb 2019 #43
Yes, but besides the example of hateful bigotry, what proof do you have that he was a hateful bigot? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #45
What about the photos taken *before* that photo? Watch the whole roll of film! WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #47
Lol! yardwork Feb 2019 #51
Lol! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #53
I went to a southern university at about the same time as Northam. yardwork Feb 2019 #60
I see exactly what they're doing. Privilege dies hard. yardwork Feb 2019 #50
A person is a sum of experiences... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #54
He hasn't changed. He's doubling down this morning. yardwork Feb 2019 #57
He's saying he wasn't in the photo? Where did he say that? TCJ70 Feb 2019 #58
Read it here: yardwork Feb 2019 #61
Yeah, no take backs, man. TCJ70 Feb 2019 #62
Oh shit. Now there's a party splitter. defacto7 Feb 2019 #139
This is what changed my mind happybird Feb 2019 #154
Gah! Typos happybird Feb 2019 #163
No worries! Thank you for your post. yardwork Feb 2019 #183
His nickname was Coonman in his undergraduate studies. Add that to the sum greatbaldeagle Feb 2019 #70
Back in the day? BlueWI Feb 2019 #215
If this were Republican Governor Northam Brawndo Feb 2019 #19
Enthusiastic K&R. Nothing else to add to this excellent OP n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #20
I agree. Northam should ask the black voters of VA what to do. MineralMan Feb 2019 #24
Great suggestion, IMO. BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #64
A commitment to listening to black voters is great. BlueWI Feb 2019 #214
Well put. Northam needs to go, ASAP. (nt) Paladin Feb 2019 #26
Gov Northam will have to resign. (Copied from another post) djacq Feb 2019 #27
DU is a big tent... that includes the hopelessly clueless (nt) JaneQPublic Feb 2019 #29
I LOL'd. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #31
Nicely put Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #146
I completely agree with OP. Trueblue Texan Feb 2019 #32
K&R BlueIndyBlue Feb 2019 #34
I am sorry you even have to say this, Effie. nt sheshe2 Feb 2019 #39
The worst are those who say things like kcr Feb 2019 #42
I agree with you 100% people Feb 2019 #44
I'm a southerner, and I've never known a single soul who would do such a thing. cwydro Feb 2019 #52
K&R MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #48
It should be very obvious to all that Northam has to go. And not only for Enoki33 Feb 2019 #49
EffieBlack, I have read a number of posts on this issue, yours and others, and i believe you are c-rational Feb 2019 #55
It makes me sick to see people rallying to his defense Politicub Feb 2019 #59
I hope they're not the same ones who wanted to crucify the 15 yr old whathehell Feb 2019 #138
I had already forgotten about him n/t Politicub Feb 2019 #141
Why does it not matter if his views have changed? treestar Feb 2019 #158
Praise be if he is not a racist Politicub Feb 2019 #164
In office, but the Dem party would be a bit much treestar Feb 2019 #220
I could care less about your religion or past conservatism Politicub Feb 2019 #223
I wish I could recommend volstork Feb 2019 #63
As far as I'm concerned, Northam had an opportunity to set an example... MrScorpio Feb 2019 #65
Agree...100% HipChick Feb 2019 #66
What is your assessment of his time in office? oberliner Feb 2019 #67
I have no idea. MrScorpio Feb 2019 #69
Effie the people on this board defending the Govener are trolls or bots. I think the majority agree Pisces Feb 2019 #68
the Al franken thing was ridiculous certainly... TalenaGor Feb 2019 #72
It's a shame that we're still having to carry our own load qanda Feb 2019 #73
Welcome to the club. I have to suffer through sports fans denigrating my culture and rituals every catbyte Feb 2019 #74
But those names aren't offensive. They're being used benevolently. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #77
As a VA resident who voted for him I agree with you 100%. lilactime Feb 2019 #78
"I understand all the rationales being given for Northam to resign." njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #80
Thank you for taking the time to write about this issue -- I find your words persuasive. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #81
I don't think anyone's excusing his behavior Dopers_Greed Feb 2019 #82
Then you're not paying attention EffieBlack Feb 2019 #84
This wasn't ratfcking. Obviously we have to be careful about that, but Roger Stone The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #88
I agree, there is no excuse for it treestar Feb 2019 #159
Also, nobody seems to have discussed how or why the photo made it into the yearbook The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #86
I'm with you. nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2019 #87
It's up to Virginians, IMO. Or...which other Governors are outsiders going to torpedo? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #89
The choice isn't between him and a Republican. Next in line is a black progressive Justin Fairfax, pnwmom Feb 2019 #99
It's up to Virginia. They elected him. They can oust him, if they want. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #104
I have stated my views in a prior OP and will not repeat them here. Suffice it to say that I not Atticus Feb 2019 #91
No matter how many times you have to explain what should be obvious lunatica Feb 2019 #92
My initial reactions was: "it was 35 years ago! BUT I'm not black!!" MH1 Feb 2019 #93
Thank you for Sharing an Important Perspective dlk Feb 2019 #94
To be fair, you continually use WE and US and OUR as if black folk are... MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #95
No, she's mostly explaining to white people, because most of the people defending him pnwmom Feb 2019 #100
K & R ma'am DashOneBravo Feb 2019 #96
K&R greatauntoftriplets Feb 2019 #97
I dont defend him. He acted like scum...but is it really helpful to allow the GOP to appoint the Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #98
What that means is that you are willing to USE a situation that HURTS black people -- pnwmom Feb 2019 #101
Giving the GOP any seats is foolish and dangerous. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #105
who do the black voters in VA think? AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #126
It's pathetic the number of people making excuses on here. doompatrol39 Feb 2019 #102
I make no excuses but we lose three years of legislation is Northam resigns...because the Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #107
Soooo....exactly what I said... doompatrol39 Feb 2019 #120
It's Not About RobinA Feb 2019 #196
Soooooo... doompatrol39 Feb 2019 #204
Exactly this! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #136
Northam could have spoken up years ago, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #113
If he convinces people that he truly is a changed man, then I can see his being forgiven. Iggo Feb 2019 #114
This push for resignation is the work of trolls CTAtheist Feb 2019 #115
You joined DU less than an hour ago and you're all over the board posting about trolls EffieBlack Feb 2019 #122
Exactly. The trolls are out in force in support of him not stepping down. Every Democrat wants him Pisces Feb 2019 #132
So said the poster... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #199
A little angry? wryter2000 Feb 2019 #118
Defending? JGug1 Feb 2019 #119
Yes. Defending EffieBlack Feb 2019 #123
What if your assumptions are wrong? Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #124
Ralph Northam isn't Prince Harry EffieBlack Feb 2019 #127
You're assuming he's racist Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #128
I know he was willing LAST YEAR to AIRBRUSH his black running mate out of campaign materials pnwmom Feb 2019 #131
Welcome to DU EffieBlack Feb 2019 #137
He admitted it was him yesterday. The Lt Gov is an African American Democrat. Iggo Feb 2019 #144
Yes it does Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #151
"Do we know he had racist views from this picture?" Iggo Feb 2019 #142
Move those goalposts! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #149
Agree to disagree Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #155
Pince Harry? Really? You're gonna pull out Prince Harry? Iggo Feb 2019 #161
His wife is half-black Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #168
Some of his best friends are black? Iggo Feb 2019 #169
Seriously? Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #184
"His wife and children are black" is very different than "some if his best friends are black" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #187
It's a weaponized pass, same as the "best friends" copout. Iggo Feb 2019 #188
No, it's not EffieBlack Feb 2019 #190
Hold your beef Cbarwitz Feb 2019 #221
And Another.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #200
Great post Effie Gothmog Feb 2019 #129
No excuses -- Northam wasn't a kid -- He was a 25 year old man whathehell Feb 2019 #130
A family friend send me an email this morning malaise Feb 2019 #133
You are so right! redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #134
in other words DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #135
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2019 #140
I wonder if people here man4allcats Feb 2019 #143
K & R n/t billh58 Feb 2019 #145
Thank you Effie. MLAA Feb 2019 #147
Agreed. Two things about it particularly bothered me Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #148
Latest story... oldlibdem Feb 2019 #150
Were women told to "get over" Kavanaugh? McCamy Taylor Feb 2019 #157
Well No RobinA Feb 2019 #197
He almost moonwalked today AdamGG Feb 2019 #160
Well said. This is so much bigger than Northam. whopis01 Feb 2019 #162
You gotta love a circular firing squad hueymahl Feb 2019 #165
Except it:s not anything like what happened to Al Franken EffieBlack Feb 2019 #167
That is a red herring hueymahl Feb 2019 #170
Franken was joking with someone whose role on the USO tour was sexual innuendo jokes AdamGG Feb 2019 #175
The point is, we don't yet know the truth hueymahl Feb 2019 #192
Holding someone responsible for harmful things they did is not "shooting one of our own." WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #189
Al Franken.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #201
That seems a little dismissive of the #metoo movement hueymahl Feb 2019 #212
Actually.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #217
Let the people of VA decide. They elected him for LT.Gov in 2014-2018 and just now this? YOHABLO Feb 2019 #166
Most Are... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #202
I'm tired of reading about him... shitcan him and move on.. PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #176
But what if he won't resign? oberliner Feb 2019 #186
100% EffieBlack madaboutharry Feb 2019 #182
I can't and won't excuse it lovemydogs Feb 2019 #185
Wow, sis. Thanks for taking the time to explain this Empowerer Feb 2019 #193
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #194
What an obnoxious response to thoughtful and heartfelt OP Empowerer Feb 2019 #195
Flat Out... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #198
This is the crux of it: JCanete Feb 2019 #203
This message was self-deleted by its author USALiberal Feb 2019 #205
Northam is hurting the party. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #206
He is definitely hurting the party now! workinclasszero Feb 2019 #207
I was anti-gay in college, was 100% against it, and I was wrong. People change. Nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #208
and I am so disappointed, sad, and a little angry essme Feb 2019 #209
he lied about it DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #227
he needs to go. Mosby Feb 2019 #210
EffieBlack essme Feb 2019 #211
Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #226
I don't know-- probably essme Feb 2019 #235
I can understand your view, and your opinion. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #237
Wish I could rec this more than once sellitman Feb 2019 #213
Same here Gothmog Feb 2019 #225
To quote Andrew Gillum, "As my grandmother used to say, a hit dog will holler." retread Feb 2019 #229
Thank you cp Feb 2019 #233
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