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I have to admit this conflation attempt is more creative than most. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #1
The Assange situation has shown that progressives have a rape problem, too, pnwmom Aug 2012 #4
So, this is what this thread is about. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #7
Only if that is what is desired. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #13
FYI pnwmom Aug 2012 #15
interesting facet to add to the conversation DonRedwood Aug 2012 #54
You are correct loyalsister Aug 2012 #17
+1. Rape is rape. Even if the accused is a DU hero. nt ecstatic Aug 2012 #63
+2. That's the problem, he's a "DU Hero", so now they have to try & defend the indefensible. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #185
Do we get to try him first? Aerows Aug 2012 #206
The Assange case has shown that some Progressives have a problem with due sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #69
Between weed and copyright violations, I have a really hard time believing most DUers give ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #71
Gasp. The horrors. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #152
I have no problems with people getting high and stealing shit, ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #160
You mean people here are insufficiently enthusiastic about imprisoning pot smokers? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #153
I think you are misinterpreting my post. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #159
I don't do either, but I know a bad law when I see one. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #161
So, are you saying you don't really care about rule of law? ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #162
Do you think the State of Texas was right when it was throwing gay ppl. in jail for consensual sex? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #163
I have already plainly stated that I do not care about rule of law. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #168
And you make no distinction between various laws? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #175
I think each of us should determine for ourselves ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #178
Okay, well Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #179
Kudos for stating this plainly Aerows Aug 2012 #197
I am amazed by the common lack of understanding between the concepts ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #215
Of course I am unwilling to acknowledge an objective distinction between laws. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #214
Actually there are charges, in accordance with swedish law. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #190
From your article, he has not been charged. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #191
Many people here, especially from the U.S. confuse U.S. and Swedish law. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #194
"When people say, he has not been charged, they seem to use this..." Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #198
Dug. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #200
Nah, Not really. I got your point. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #202
All-or-nothing thinking sucks. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #165
By definition, rule of law is all-or-nothing thinking. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #169
Assange doesn't care about anyone but himself. pnwmom Aug 2012 #77
Well that's a substantive comment. It assumes first of all that all the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #83
Amen and +1 Aerows Aug 2012 #205
+100 Cleita Aug 2012 #147
Sadly, rape is a human problem etherealtruth Aug 2012 #137
Well, yes, that would be wrong. But you don't think DirkGently Aug 2012 #144
You really should be ashamed of yourself Aerows Aug 2012 #195
LOL! How desperate do you have to be to try to link Assange to Akin? Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #2
How blind do you have to be not to see the similarity in people's defenses of the two? pnwmom Aug 2012 #3
You, and Rush: "Limbaugh: Liberals Would “Help A Thousand Rapists” To Free “One America-Hater”" Zorra Aug 2012 #22
Thanks for that info about Limbaugh, Zorra.. KoKo Aug 2012 #26
My pleasure, KoKo. I'm so tired of the constant posting of anti-Progressive RW talking points at DU. Zorra Aug 2012 #28
Don't expect anything different Aerows Aug 2012 #196
What did I say that you are specifically claiming is untrue? pnwmom Aug 2012 #65
Um, how about you saying "progressives have a rape problem" for starters? Zorra Aug 2012 #95
I am saying that there are people who do not understand rape pnwmom Aug 2012 #131
Who are these people? I too am sick of this attempt, rather than deal with sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #149
PNWMOM Aerows Aug 2012 #201
No, I'm saying that the details of criminal rape law aren't something taught pnwmom Aug 2012 #207
There are a bunch of women Aerows Aug 2012 #199
There are people here who don't understand that it's rape if you penetrate an pnwmom Aug 2012 #209
if you don't want to be linked to limbaugh and his supporters.. frylock Aug 2012 #128
You nailed it, Zorra. I saw the name of post and knew before I read it what it would say. October Aug 2012 #81
pwnmom has almost 40,000 posts. How is pwnmom a troll? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #91
I believe that would be the definition mythology Aug 2012 #141
We have a few that do damage control for the Republican party Aerows Aug 2012 #203
"There are many people" October Aug 2012 #80
Hogwash. 99Forever Aug 2012 #171
Which of the 2 positions are misrepresented? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #11
I am wondering if it HappyMe Aug 2012 #5
That's the point - it is Assange TBF Aug 2012 #6
Conspiracy trolls as well. HappyMe Aug 2012 #9
The U.S. Attorney General's words in 2010: ronnie624 Aug 2012 #20
Are you saying established progressive activists in Sweden Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #23
I try not to make claims I can't support with evidence. ronnie624 Aug 2012 #30
Define, "pulled out all the stops" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #35
As far as I'm concerned, ronnie624 Aug 2012 #38
Your quotes were from AG Holder. He's DoJ, not CIA Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #42
Holder speaks for the existing power structure, as would the director of the CIA. ronnie624 Aug 2012 #55
"existing power structure" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #70
Right, ronnie624 Aug 2012 #75
Only to those who make celebrities out of potential rapists Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #84
Potential rapists? GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #151
Wrong again. 99Forever Aug 2012 #174
That's "smart GIRL" to you. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #177
It ain't Sweden that's the problem, lady 99Forever Aug 2012 #187
What lie? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #208
When aren't they? 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #10
If someone was setting him up, wouldn't they have given the women much better stories? pnwmom Aug 2012 #16
You haven't even heard their stories yet, ronnie624 Aug 2012 #36
"Poor translation" comes up a lot in those threads where Hugo Chavez Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #46
I didn't say it was a poor translation. ronnie624 Aug 2012 #56
I think you're hitting all the talking points today ... TBF Aug 2012 #60
'could be'. That's the difference there. randome Aug 2012 #49
lol - yeah I'm seeing "steadfastly objective" here TBF Aug 2012 #61
So if he had not done these things and it was just some bloke who'd happened to get to London treestar Aug 2012 #62
If he were "just some bloke" we wouldn't be TBF Aug 2012 #64
Right. Because he would have been picked up in Sweden for questioning pnwmom Aug 2012 #67
I am not one to feed into conspiracy theories normally - TBF Aug 2012 #85
If this was a set-up why didn't they give the two women better stories? pnwmom Aug 2012 #89
lol - it doesn't matter if the story is good TBF Aug 2012 #97
Your're claiming 2 established female progressives are really paid whores for the PTB? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #103
lol at your characterization - TBF Aug 2012 #105
You claim they are deliberately telling stories they know to be false to discredit Assange Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #109
I didn't say anything about your use of the word "whore" - but TBF Aug 2012 #116
Wait a minute. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #121
If they were setting him up, why didn't they give the women better stories? pnwmom Aug 2012 #66
The stories are very messy, if you take the trouble to actually sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #78
So you're suspicious because you are clueless about the Swedish legal system. jeff47 Aug 2012 #155
It's simpler than that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #8
+100 HappyMe Aug 2012 #14
You got it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #18
Excellent point. DU as ever is a microcosm. Robb Aug 2012 #21
Ain't that the truth? n/t X_Digger Aug 2012 #25
Wow, that's going to make a lasting impression slackmaster Aug 2012 #39
I don't pull punches ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #43
"Wow, that's going to leave a mark" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #44
I haven't had coffee yet. I'll tone it down. slackmaster Aug 2012 #52
Friends don't let friend post without coffee Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #72
Bingo Bobbie Jo Aug 2012 #57
Oh, yes.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #58
Bullshit. Plenty of people LOUDLY proclaim Obama has assassinated American citizens riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #74
You sort of missed the mark there. Robb Aug 2012 #82
Someone's missed their mark and its not me.... riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #87
So we're NOT making excuses for Assange? Robb Aug 2012 #88
Tiresome, disingenuous and a repetitive slam to DUers who read the situation differently than you riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #99
And those who don't support him now should delight in Robb Aug 2012 #100
Using the exact same verbage as RW media shills? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Aug 2012 #111
Uhm, 7 years. I joined in 2005 nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #115
My apologies. Bobbie Jo Aug 2012 #122
Not any more than "we" are convicting him because "we" hate Wikileaks. DirkGently Aug 2012 #148
That is not his view. Please provide evidence that it is his view sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #123
Osama bin Laden was an American citizen? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #106
To be fair I think he was refering to Awlaki and others; not UBL Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #113
No, he named 3 American citizens Obama assassinated Son of Gob Aug 2012 #117
I think post 118 is a fair and honest clarification Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #120
Clarified in 118, I meant to say Americans and non-Americans but if you'd like I'll go make an edit riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #126
Yep, criminal actions of killing Osama bin Laden Son of Gob Aug 2012 #127
"She". And thank you, yes, it was a general reference both to extra judicial assassinations of both riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #118
Nailed it... SidDithers Aug 2012 #124
No. If you disagree with the reason, it's an "excuse"; if you agree, it's an "explanation", because patrice Aug 2012 #176
The hypocrisy *is* a little mind boggling. n/t MadrasT Aug 2012 #12
Except that the two issues have only very superficial similarities and your post is a uber strawman. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #19
A strawman argument relies on mischaracterizing an opponent's argument Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #24
Two points: redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #29
But those making excuses for Assange have non interest in discerning if a rape has been committed Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #37
I'd say that most of the fervor surrounding these claims pnwmom Aug 2012 #68
because supporting transparency in govt equals hero worship.. frylock Aug 2012 #129
No, ignoring sexual assaults pnwmom Aug 2012 #130
and as soon as those women state that they were sexually asaulted.. frylock Aug 2012 #133
Their lawyer said in June that they want the criminal investigation pnwmom Aug 2012 #134
i'm afraid that you're going to have to present evidence of that.. frylock Aug 2012 #136
No problem. pnwmom Aug 2012 #138
... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #140
you posting that it is a strawman is a strawman snooper2 Aug 2012 #32
+1 Common sense Harmony Blue Aug 2012 #59
Please don't conflate all support for Assange redqueen Aug 2012 #27
+1 redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #33
I decline to see Obama in such nefarious terms. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #40
I also don't conflate Obama with America. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #41
He's the president, the Chief Executive. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #45
In many ways Obama is an impotent passive observer. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #92
Then tell me who can start or stop an extradition request. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #93
Talk about strawman! JackRiddler Aug 2012 #166
Yes. The Empire. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #173
When are you going to figure out the world doesn't revolve JackRiddler Aug 2012 #204
What utter tripe Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #210
Your point upthread really impresses me... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #212
You are really confused. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #217
Who said anything about a shadowy cabal? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #224
Everytime you complain about my characterizing your argument as an appeal to shadow governments Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #225
The difference is I don't mystify "shadow government." JackRiddler Aug 2012 #227
So Obama is sitting in the Oval Office one day Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #229
Your fantasy versions are of little concern... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #235
How is he being singled out for unfair treatment, exactly? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #47
The whole case is a total legal disaster that cannot be justifiably prosecuted. Zorra Aug 2012 #98
No, it isn't. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #101
Could you post a source, or did you just make up the "pursuant to prosecution" part Zorra Aug 2012 #170
... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #172
OMG! It's like a Monte Python skit. He's not charged, and Sweden is not really prosecuting him, Zorra Aug 2012 #181
The court can only judge whether the warrant is valid... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #184
I know, but they said he did it. Slip of the tongue, or is someone presumed guilty before being Zorra Aug 2012 #186
It's not just that they said he did it, he said he did it. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #188
"if fairly and accurately described" reorg Aug 2012 #192
Apparently you have comprehension problems Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #211
LOL, right back atcha reorg Aug 2012 #213
Go here: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #219
So? reorg Aug 2012 #220
Whether such a case exists or whether a trial will result in conviction is not at issue. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #221
at issue is your blatantly false claim that Assange "accepted the description reorg Aug 2012 #228
I linked you to the appeal judgement Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #230
your false claim is not supported anywhere in the linked appeal judgement reorg Aug 2012 #231
Except he does. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #232
This is getting boring, you make false claims, cannot support them reorg Aug 2012 #233
That context was examined and found to still constitute grounds for a charge of rape... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #234
Oh, yeah. BTW, that does not prove that the case will/can be prosecuted. Zorra Aug 2012 #189
All depends on who's ox is getting gored. deaniac21 Aug 2012 #31
Interesting choice of words! randome Aug 2012 #51
pubic hair and circumcision n/t Enrique Aug 2012 #34
I imagine there are many people who believe LanternWaste Aug 2012 #48
Rape is a rape and it is a violent crime against women. Yet, some of those sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #73
WHY? Indeed! n/t KoKo Aug 2012 #143
Quick! Look over there!!! jeff47 Aug 2012 #156
Since we have closed Gitmo and left Afghanistan, what else can we argue about? AngryAmish Aug 2012 #50
no no no...have you ever done a post about nuclear power? DonRedwood Aug 2012 #53
Interesting point Renew Deal Aug 2012 #76
You forgot pubic shaving. undeterred Aug 2012 #79
I am appalled when ANYBODY parses the definition of rape. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #86
Yes, we are all appalled when charges of misdemeanors are turned into charges sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #94
Parse away. Ugh. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #96
What does have to do with my comment? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #108
Better question: What does your comment have to do with the OP? AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #110
+1000 Bobbie Jo Aug 2012 #112
Rape is not the subject of this discussion? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #114
Staying on point would require defending the point jeff47 Aug 2012 #158
+1000 dionysus Aug 2012 #154
+1. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #104
Thread win, hands down. Zorra Aug 2012 #119
Sure Bobbie Jo Aug 2012 #150
Ouch. That'll leave a mark. WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #90
I appreciate your attempt to marginalize complex scenarios by oversimplifying them LaydeeBug Aug 2012 #102
The hot button topic regarding Assange... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #125
We don't have any evidence of CIA Ops....but, KoKo Aug 2012 #132
Speaking of the JFK assassination, there's this from RawStory... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #135
Trying to read everything coming out...and parsing betwen the two or three sides.. KoKo Aug 2012 #139
If they were behaving like in a bond movie jeff47 Aug 2012 #157
At least it would make for a good mini-series or cable production.... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #167
My enlisted 19 year old niece was raped by a US soldier while stationed in Germany. cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #142
My humblest sympathy Karmasue Aug 2012 #164
!!! :-((( for your niece & +++ for this post. You are right, we don't KNOW. patrice Aug 2012 #180
Liberate us sexually so they won't have it available to divide and distract us. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2012 #145
Best comment of the day today. Cleita Aug 2012 #146
My first impulse is to always distrust what a government (or cop, or other power holder) has to say eilen Aug 2012 #182
i took note of that myself. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #183
Sexual Violation isn't a game Aerows Aug 2012 #193
No, it isn't a game which is why Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #218
The last few days around here have certainly been surreal. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #216
This would make an excellent OP. Robb Aug 2012 #222
Excellent point... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #223
Republicans can create MIILLIONS of jobs HockeyMom Aug 2012 #226
That's about it. "Women lie about rape" pretty much sums it up. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #236
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