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Hortensis

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31. Good advice. VA's governor knows the state's history of course.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:55 PM
Feb 2019

Although we'd all much prefer to have been an indentured servant than a slave in that era, very little reading would make anyone understand how Northam might have slipped and used the word "indentured" instead of "slave" in discussing the first arrival of African people in 1619. 1619 was also the year the initial contract of indenture established in 1609 was changed to allow planters to "rent" indentured servants from the Virginia Company.

He would know that something like 40% of indentured unfortunates died before their period of usually 4-5 but sometimes as long as 9 or more years of often involuntary servitude ended. Females who became pregnant while in bondage typically had their indentures lengthened, and other excuses were used to keep those who survived in bondage.

Many people who weren't desperate did indenture themselves in hopes of better lives in America, but as word got back about the death rates, the many abuses, the schemes to lengthen indentures, and the often very poor quality of land they were able to claim once free, their proportion lessened. But many adults had no real choice. And many children were sold into indentured servitude by parents who couldn't feed them, while parishes got rid of large numbers of unwanted orphans by selling them, and of course none of those consented.

F this clown Blues Heron Feb 2019 #1
Northam doesn't take orders from DUers Yosemito Feb 2019 #3
ooo burn Blues Heron Feb 2019 #6
No, it's true. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #30
No it's not, you're wrong Polly Blues Heron Feb 2019 #49
It suddenly occurs to me that he might be a useful clown. Mister Ed Feb 2019 #4
Go read something jberryhill Feb 2019 #9
Doubt they signed up as indentured servants when they were forced onto Blues Heron Feb 2019 #13
That was an aberation that was corrected tout suite and not in the "indenture slaves" interest ... marble falls Feb 2019 #17
Good advice. VA's governor knows the state's history of course. Hortensis Feb 2019 #31
Oh God. I voted for him. Is it too much to ask for those we elect to at least have common sense. rusty quoin Feb 2019 #2
There was a thread on this yesterday. He is actually correct. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #5
That doesn't say what you think it says BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #10
. jberryhill Feb 2019 #14
But the assumption with this argument BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #15
Hmmm missing your point. What you posted... Adrahil Feb 2019 #19
Did you read the links I posted? BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #20
Please cite that quote. marble falls Feb 2019 #18
Classic Comic ain't good history, son. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #25
You are chosing to look with one lense. Blue_true Feb 2019 #24
Not my "lense" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #29
Northam's reference point was right, as was his statement. Blue_true Feb 2019 #42
Your post actually refutes what Northam insisted on. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #46
"the first indentured servants from Africa" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #7
No, he was right jberryhill Feb 2019 #8
See this post BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #11
The article that you linked does not support your argument. Blue_true Feb 2019 #26
See my response here BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #34
Whatever supports the white supremacy myths n/t wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #54
The "history" of North America needs to be started all over. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #56
You are incorrect, and that article doesn't say that obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #35
See this post. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #39
It's so hard for some to utter the word 'slave'. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #43
I posted this here- BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #47
Yes, this reference made perfect sense as part of a conversation about his use of blackface EffieBlack Feb 2019 #50
Well PBS needs to go talk to Virginia state historians. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #60
To supplement your post BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #68
No, he was right obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #33
No. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #40
Jumping to conclusions again treestar Feb 2019 #12
How did this idiot ever graduate from med school? jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #16
Why? For stating historical facts? obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #36
"Still learning"? Aristus Feb 2019 #21
Then you should know what he said was correct obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #37
Um...no. Aristus Feb 2019 #48
Not at first. He was correct. Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #53
What do indentured servants have to do with blackface and the KKK, the topic he was discussing? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #51
Some people learn early, I guess. Blue_true Feb 2019 #63
As a military dependent, I attended Department of Defense schools. Aristus Feb 2019 #64
You had forward thinking teachers. My teachers were good, but played things close to the vest. Blue_true Feb 2019 #65
Dear Virginia ... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #22
Northam was right, Gayle King was wrong. Blue_true Feb 2019 #23
This n/t obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #38
He may have been technically accurate in saying some Africans were indentured servants EffieBlack Feb 2019 #52
A lot of Whites that are not racist have a problem talking about slavery. Blue_true Feb 2019 #62
It's difficult to reconcile his attending desegregated schools with black students and the racist EffieBlack Feb 2019 #66
Maybe repentance should involve education? loyalsister Feb 2019 #27
Thats the way its supposed to be: You repent, you atone, you go and sin no more. marble falls Feb 2019 #28
"not all early European settlers" loyalsister Feb 2019 #32
He's made a sorry hash of explaining it and apologizing for it. marble falls Feb 2019 #41
That's my take. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #45
True loyalsister Feb 2019 #55
What he doesn't realize about those 1619 "indentured" slaves is that they were brought in ... marble falls Feb 2019 #58
tortured logic loyalsister Feb 2019 #61
Bingo! marble falls Feb 2019 #67
You repent/show contrition, say penance. Then go sin some more. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #44
Does anyone truly believe that he was making a super-nuanced point here? theboss Feb 2019 #57
I think he believes his less than facile tongue will somehow talk all this away. Instead ... marble falls Feb 2019 #59
He was repeating the viewpoint of some historians, that the legal system of slavery in VA pnwmom Feb 2019 #69
To what point? Empowerer Feb 2019 #70
Just a slip, many atrocities against one group overlapping with another? Hortensis Feb 2019 #71
But what do "indentured servants" have to do with his point Empowerer Feb 2019 #72
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