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pnwmom

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69. He was repeating the viewpoint of some historians, that the legal system of slavery in VA
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:41 PM
Feb 2019

didn't begin till the 1640's and beyond -- at least according to the citations in Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_Virginia

Though the history of blacks in Virginia begins in 1619, the transition of status from indentured servant to lifelong slave was a gradual process. Some historians believe that some of the first blacks who arrived in Virginia were already slaves, while others say they were taken into the colony as indentured servants. Historians generally believe slavery in the English colonies in North America did not begin as an institution until the 1660s.[7]

Early cases show differences in treatment between Negro and European indentured servants. In 1640, the General Virginia Court decided the Emmanuel case. Emmanuel was a Negro indentured servant who participated in a plot to escape along with six white servants. Together, they stole corn, powder, and shot guns but were caught before making their escape. The members of the group were each convicted; they were sentenced to a variety of punishments. Christopher Miller, the leader of the group, was sentenced to wear shackles for one year. White servant John Williams was sentenced to serve the colony for an extra seven years. Peter Willcocke was branded, whipped, and was required to serve the colony for an additional seven years. Richard Cookson was required to serve for two additional years. Emmanuel, the Negro, was whipped and branded with an "R" on his cheek. All of the white servants had their terms of servitude increased by some extent, but the court did not extend Emmanuel's time of service. Many historians speculate Emmanuel was already a servant for life. While Emmanuel's status is not defined in the records, his being branded shows a difference in how white servants and black servants were treated. Though this case suggests that slavery existed, the distinction of lifetime servitude or slavery associated with Africans or people of African descent was not widespread until later.[8]

That same year, 1640, "the first definite indication of outright enslavement appears in Virginia."[9] John Punch, a Negro indentured servant, escaped from his master, Hugh Gwyn, along with two white servants. Hugh Gwyn petitioned the courts, and the three servants were captured, convicted, and sentenced. The white servants had their indentured contracts extended by four years, but the courts gave John Punch a much harsher sentence. The courts decided that "the third being a negro named John Punch shall serve his said master or his assigns for the time of his natural life here or else where." This is considered the earliest legal documentation of slavery in Virginia. It marked racial disparity in the treatment of black servants and their white counterparts, but also the beginning of Virginian courts reducing Negros from a condition of indentured servitude to slavery. Leon Higginbotham believes the case is evidence that the colony was developing a policy to force Negro laborers to serve terms of life servitude.[8]

In other cases, masters refused to acknowledge the expiration of indentured contracts of blacks, most of whom were illiterate in English. Anthony Johnson was claimed to have held his indentured servant, John Casor, past his term. Johnson was brought to Jamestown in 1621 aboard the James as an indentured servant. By 1623, the Angolan had gained his freedom. By 1651 he was prosperous enough to import five "servants" of his own, for which he was granted 250 acres (1.0 km2) as "headrights".[10] One of his servants was John Casor. Casor later claimed to a neighboring farmer, Robert Parker, that he had completed his term. Parker persuaded Johnson to free Casor, who then went to work for Parker. The farmer signed him to a new term of indenture. Johnson challenged Parker in court, saying he had taken his worker. In the lawsuit of Johnson vs. Parker, the court in Northampton County ruled that "seriously consideringe and maturely weighing the premisses, doe fynde that the saide Mr. Robert Parker most unjustly keepeth the said Negro from Anthony Johnson his master....It is therefore the Judgement of the Court and ordered That the said John Casor Negro forthwith returne unto the service of the said master Anthony Johnson, and that Mr. Robert Parker make payment of all charges in the suit." Casor was returned to Johnson and served him for the rest of his life.

There is evidence in the 1650s that some Virginia Negroes were serving for life. In 1660 the Assembly stated that "in case any English servant shall run away in company with any Negroes who are incapable of making satisfaction by addition of time…[he] shall serve for the time of the said Negroes absence." This statute indicates quite clearly that Negroes served for life and hence could not make "satisfaction" by serving longer once they were recaptured. This phrase gave legal status to the already existing practice of lifetime enslavement of Negroes. Statutes were soon passed to define slavery with more conditions than lifetime servitude.[11]

F this clown Blues Heron Feb 2019 #1
Northam doesn't take orders from DUers Yosemito Feb 2019 #3
ooo burn Blues Heron Feb 2019 #6
No, it's true. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #30
No it's not, you're wrong Polly Blues Heron Feb 2019 #49
It suddenly occurs to me that he might be a useful clown. Mister Ed Feb 2019 #4
Go read something jberryhill Feb 2019 #9
Doubt they signed up as indentured servants when they were forced onto Blues Heron Feb 2019 #13
That was an aberation that was corrected tout suite and not in the "indenture slaves" interest ... marble falls Feb 2019 #17
Good advice. VA's governor knows the state's history of course. Hortensis Feb 2019 #31
Oh God. I voted for him. Is it too much to ask for those we elect to at least have common sense. rusty quoin Feb 2019 #2
There was a thread on this yesterday. He is actually correct. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #5
That doesn't say what you think it says BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #10
. jberryhill Feb 2019 #14
But the assumption with this argument BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #15
Hmmm missing your point. What you posted... Adrahil Feb 2019 #19
Did you read the links I posted? BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #20
Please cite that quote. marble falls Feb 2019 #18
Classic Comic ain't good history, son. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #25
You are chosing to look with one lense. Blue_true Feb 2019 #24
Not my "lense" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #29
Northam's reference point was right, as was his statement. Blue_true Feb 2019 #42
Your post actually refutes what Northam insisted on. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #46
"the first indentured servants from Africa" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #7
No, he was right jberryhill Feb 2019 #8
See this post BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #11
The article that you linked does not support your argument. Blue_true Feb 2019 #26
See my response here BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #34
Whatever supports the white supremacy myths n/t wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #54
The "history" of North America needs to be started all over. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #56
You are incorrect, and that article doesn't say that obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #35
See this post. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #39
It's so hard for some to utter the word 'slave'. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #43
I posted this here- BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #47
Yes, this reference made perfect sense as part of a conversation about his use of blackface EffieBlack Feb 2019 #50
Well PBS needs to go talk to Virginia state historians. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #60
To supplement your post BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #68
No, he was right obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #33
No. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #40
Jumping to conclusions again treestar Feb 2019 #12
How did this idiot ever graduate from med school? jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #16
Why? For stating historical facts? obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #36
"Still learning"? Aristus Feb 2019 #21
Then you should know what he said was correct obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #37
Um...no. Aristus Feb 2019 #48
Not at first. He was correct. Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #53
What do indentured servants have to do with blackface and the KKK, the topic he was discussing? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #51
Some people learn early, I guess. Blue_true Feb 2019 #63
As a military dependent, I attended Department of Defense schools. Aristus Feb 2019 #64
You had forward thinking teachers. My teachers were good, but played things close to the vest. Blue_true Feb 2019 #65
Dear Virginia ... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #22
Northam was right, Gayle King was wrong. Blue_true Feb 2019 #23
This n/t obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #38
He may have been technically accurate in saying some Africans were indentured servants EffieBlack Feb 2019 #52
A lot of Whites that are not racist have a problem talking about slavery. Blue_true Feb 2019 #62
It's difficult to reconcile his attending desegregated schools with black students and the racist EffieBlack Feb 2019 #66
Maybe repentance should involve education? loyalsister Feb 2019 #27
Thats the way its supposed to be: You repent, you atone, you go and sin no more. marble falls Feb 2019 #28
"not all early European settlers" loyalsister Feb 2019 #32
He's made a sorry hash of explaining it and apologizing for it. marble falls Feb 2019 #41
That's my take. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #45
True loyalsister Feb 2019 #55
What he doesn't realize about those 1619 "indentured" slaves is that they were brought in ... marble falls Feb 2019 #58
tortured logic loyalsister Feb 2019 #61
Bingo! marble falls Feb 2019 #67
You repent/show contrition, say penance. Then go sin some more. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #44
Does anyone truly believe that he was making a super-nuanced point here? theboss Feb 2019 #57
I think he believes his less than facile tongue will somehow talk all this away. Instead ... marble falls Feb 2019 #59
He was repeating the viewpoint of some historians, that the legal system of slavery in VA pnwmom Feb 2019 #69
To what point? Empowerer Feb 2019 #70
Just a slip, many atrocities against one group overlapping with another? Hortensis Feb 2019 #71
But what do "indentured servants" have to do with his point Empowerer Feb 2019 #72
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