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Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:39 AM

64. AIPAC as an organization does not. Individuals who belong to AIPAC do, as do individuals from the

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Arab Lobby, and other lobbying groups.

Just as the anti-BDS legislation in certain states, and some members in Congress tried to tie certain bills to prevent INDIVIUALS from supporting the BDS is a violation of the 1st amendment, which I believe will be heard by the SC, and ruled the same way they did that flag burning was protected by the 1st amendment, they will rule the same way with individuals that support the BDS

AIPAC lobbies the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation related to Israel. AIPAC regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views. AIPAC is not a political action committee, and does not directly donate to campaign contributions.

The Arab Lobby does the same thing, as do other lobbyists.

As far as your assessment that any criticism of Israel automatically levies a charge of anti-Jewish sentiment, I disagree.

There are plenty of posts critical of Israel, Netenyahu, and AIPAC that are voiced here that are NOT accused of being anti-Jewish, including some in this thread.

However, there is an association between Israel and the Jews, since modern day Israel was based on that after WWII.

Being critical of the Israeli government is not necessarily anti-Jewish, nor are advocates for the BDS, but when using terms toward it that have the same vernacular as The Protocols of Zion, and other anti-Jewish verbiage, or implication pointing to "Jews and money",
that starts to cross a line. "bring on the benjamins"

The association of Jews and money has always been a favorite theme of those who are anti-Jewish. The stereotypes have run rampant for decades in this country.

Ironically, Trump caused a similar controversey during his 2016 campaign when he tweeted an image depicting Clinton, cash and the Star of David, and no doubt that was a dog whistle to those who harbor anti-Jewish sentiments in the country, in the same way as his racist, bigoted statements were to those who share those "values"

If one is against lobbyists, one should be against all lobbyists, not just the one's they disagree with?

There was a reason that Representative Omar apologized, and that was a good thing, though interestingly enough when asked about comments from 2012 regarding Israel's powers of hypnosis" she said she didn't understand why it was offensive. As a NY Times editorial points out:

"The conspiracy theory of the Jew as the hypnotic conspirator, the duplicitous manipulator, the sinister puppeteer is one with ancient roots and a bloody history. In the New Testament, it is a small band of Jews who get Rome — then the greatest power in the world — to do their bidding by killing Christ. Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, speaks to the Jews about Jesus in the book of John: “Take him yourselves and judge him according to your own law.” But the Jews punt the decision back to Pilate: “We are not permitted to put anyone to death.” And so Pilate does the deed on their behalf. In the book of Matthew, the implications of this manipulation are spelled out: “His blood is on us and our children,” the Jews say — a line that has been so historically destructive that even Mel Gibson cut it from his “Passion of the Christ.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/21/opinion/ilhan-omar-israel-jews.html

So yes, there is sensitivity to that, just as there was sensitivity among African Americans, and Northam's yearbook

We get into problems though, when assertions are made to question a congress persons dual loyalties just because of a position they take on an issue. Ironically, that same argument could be hurled against those who are making those "dual loyalty" accusations

The problem isn't disagreements on issues, that is a fact of life, the problem as I see it is a double standard on a lot of things.

When trump makes a cruel reference to the "trail of tears", in association with Senator Warren, there was some disgust expressed, but it didn't come close to the outrage expressed toward Representative Omar's tweet. Same with trump's continuous racist, sexist, bigotry, it hardly causes a ripple.

That is the double standard I am referring to

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