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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:01 PM

6. The problem with the various medicare for all plans is NOT

at all that they're too "progressive," though. That's simply not true and a grave insult to people who've fought for years to make good, affordable universal healthcare happen. All those at the top of the Democratic Party who did, notably including Hillary and Nancy Pelosi, who will both go down in the history books (but not Sanders), are strong progressive liberals who are committed to true universal and affordable healthcare. No one exceeds their goals for the nation.

The ACA as passed was meant to cover far more people from the beginning, but the Republicans managed to set that back. Notably, it was supposed to have a single-payer option that all observers believed would ultimately substantially dominate American healthcare options. I.e., almost every would choose it. That's why that bastard Lieberman and the rest of the Republicans made killing it their biggest and most implacable goal.

They at least had an anti-government ideology behind that. No so BOTH of the left wing and right wing populist leaders, who knew how desperate people were and lied to magnify fears and suspicions about government to gain personal power. They both deceived their followers about the worth of the ACA and denied advances to come, and both claimed it must be destroyed right then to make way for something better and cheaper.

That our national healthcare system still stands in spite of efforts by both to turn people against it is due to its own excellence, strong support by consumers and business who are glad of it even in its unfinished state, and of course the ferocious battles to protect it by our Democrats.

Regarding what is more progressive, what would make "Mfa" plans genuinely more progressive than Medicare or the ACA would be removing for-profit providers from the system and going socialist like the VA. But we know that not only is that not doable right now, but please note -- most MfA supporters currently, astonishingly, want to destroy the VA and move our veterans into one giant government-controlled for-profit system that everyone has to belong to, no choice. !!! A facile image of understandable simplicity isn't progressive, it's extremist and would be both harmful to vets and profoundly disrespectful of the rights of the people to choose.

Btw, the VA is the best and most cost effective healthcare system by far in our nation, mostly just needs adequate funding for once, and directors who aren't committed to destroying it. To dismantle it would be so shockingly regressive that the Republican Party is already all in and out ahead with that goal.

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