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lancelyons

(988 posts)
63. I can certainly talk about what Israel has done bad without being anti semitic.
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:34 PM
Feb 2019

Just like I can talk about what Germany has done without being anti White

Or talk about how Saddam Hussein was a bad man without being anti muslim.

There is seperation between the people and their faith and their country or leader.

AGAIN:

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews. A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.

Criticism of a country is not hostility or discrimination against JEWS.

IBTL. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #1
Agreed Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #2
Agreed Pacifist Patriot Feb 2019 #3
Well stated SallyHemmings Feb 2019 #4
My thoughts exactly. Charade walkingman Feb 2019 #5
You're right, criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic, BUT fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #6
I agree! Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #13
Well then, AIPAC should apologize too DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #21
AIPAC isn't a person. But Netanyahu is. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #45
AIPAC is made up of of people DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #47
Another Israel is Possible: AIPAC Money Should Go to Solving It McKim Feb 2019 #56
AIPAC does not want that Israel. SQUEE Feb 2019 #112
I have not read the tweet(s), so I don't have context here. LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #22
But, her criticism of AIPAC is accurate. HootieMcBoob Feb 2019 #27
anti-Semitic tropes??? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #62
If the only way you can criticize is by using anti-Semitic tropes, fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #105
And calling anything a trope Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #107
Claiming lobbyist groups putting money into congresses pockets is now anti Semitic tropes lancelyons Feb 2019 #103
AIPAC is not a Political Action Committee fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #104
Since nobody said it was leftynyc Feb 2019 #7
many people do conflate Israel and Judaism. cab67 Feb 2019 #8
It obviously depends on the criticism leftynyc Feb 2019 #10
I criticized the policy of establishing settlements in the West Bank. cab67 Feb 2019 #17
My friends there HATE that law leftynyc Feb 2019 #30
something occurs to me. cab67 Feb 2019 #57
If you trashed Bibi and the entire reason Israel is in place after 1948 that is not antisemitism. lancelyons Feb 2019 #34
Saying Israel has no right to exist leftynyc Feb 2019 #54
I can certainly talk about what Israel has done bad without being anti semitic. lancelyons Feb 2019 #63
You just changed the subject leftynyc Feb 2019 #64
I don't believe that ANY country has a "right to exist", including my own. Crunchy Frog Feb 2019 #111
Agreed. cab67 Feb 2019 #58
But criticism of lobbyists influencing Republican politicians is IronLionZion Feb 2019 #9
The second problem with Rep. Omar's tweet was fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #11
the apology itself was half-hearted; dragging the NRA into the apology? oldsoftie Feb 2019 #26
Christian lobbyists influencing Christian Republicans is anti-Semitic IronLionZion Feb 2019 #40
well said handmade34 Feb 2019 #12
Do you have a link? For whatever reason, the text is showing as characters rather than letters. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #28
.... handmade34 Feb 2019 #36
I found it and was able to read the entire piece for additional context. Thanks. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #42
For some additional context, here's what Leonhardt writes next: lapucelle Feb 2019 #33
The problem was not criticism of Israel Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #14
She spoke specifically about a political action committee, not a religion or ethnicity Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #19
No, it's not that simple Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #31
Yes they are because they Lobby for pro Israel policy. Hard not to have associations there. lancelyons Feb 2019 #35
AIPAC routinely condemns people wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #67
And yet the association is there Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #80
So when and how wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #90
You don't suggest that "it's all about the Benjamins." Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #93
So here is the tweet she is responding to: wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #96
Who are you to suggest that I'm taking things "at face value" and have not dug deeply enough? Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #106
Her tweet is nothing noteworthy wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #108
And I'm sorry that you cannot see the problem Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #109
Criticizing lobbyist money wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #110
Not initially. That was her second tweet. George II Feb 2019 #38
? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #39
The tweets in question were posted all over DU yesterday. George II Feb 2019 #43
Thanks! Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #44
THIS. Israel's government is controlled by strong Hortensis Feb 2019 #23
Well, Speaker Pelosi customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #15
Excellent point, we had no problem calling arthritisR_US Feb 2019 #16
Remember, Republicans want to divide us over Israel and Judaism. EndGOPPropaganda Feb 2019 #18
Yup ouija Feb 2019 #20
The GOP strategy, from Bari Weiss to McCarthy, is to get us to fight EndGOPPropaganda Feb 2019 #24
And as usual Democrats took the bait PatSeg Feb 2019 #37
And it is important that people grasp that with intellectual clarity pdsimdars Feb 2019 #25
As a congresswoman, Omar has no excuse for her shocking ignorance. Hortensis Feb 2019 #29
Point to where Omar specifically named Jews wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #68
Sophistry a bit? Point to where "Israel" and references to venality Hortensis Feb 2019 #70
You can't point to where Omar specifically referenced Jews wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #72
Then it's a bad look for our Democratic Party leadership, Hortensis Feb 2019 #73
Ad populum arguments are rhetorical fallacies wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #74
If you'd like to wait for the National Council of Churches to Hortensis Feb 2019 #75
If you'd like to wait for the National Council of Churches to Hortensis Feb 2019 #77
Exactly. Im shocked how we treat criticism of them as anti semitic. lancelyons Feb 2019 #32
It is possible to criticize Israel without invoking antediluvian anti-semitic tropes, yes? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #41
It depends on where you put the goalposts n/t wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #69
And how often you keep moving them... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #76
Not when any criticism is simply labeled as anti-Semitic, no (nt) Recursion Feb 2019 #71
That seems like a straw man DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #89
They don't say "all", they simply say it individually about every single example Recursion Feb 2019 #98
AIPAC's mission is to attribute all criticism of Israel to anti-semitism? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #100
Like many countries including Russia & the US yaesu Feb 2019 #46
Similarly, if you disagree with Fat Donnie's policies, it does not make you a Trump-hater, LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #48
True. But at the same time, the criticism must use a scalpel, not a kitchen knife. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #49
It's the policies, not the people patphil Feb 2019 #50
In a nutshell The Blue Flower Feb 2019 #51
Agreed bitterross Feb 2019 #52
Israel and the Israeli government are not one and the same beastie boy Feb 2019 #53
I agree. Being anti-Israeli policies, and being anti-Semitic PatrickforO Feb 2019 #55
How Much Anti Semitism Does Having Snipers Shoot Protesting Children RAAD2 Feb 2019 #59
But the US Government generally backs the Israeli Government guillaumeb Feb 2019 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #61
Because that isn't in the news? HopeAgain Feb 2019 #78
While true, the situation is more complicated than that. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #65
"Also, ALL countries have questionable policies, not just Israel." FiveGoodMen Feb 2019 #82
No. Not all, just the ones that give us things we really want. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #95
Europeans came to the "New World" and took the land from the indigenous people. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #66
where are the phonecians? Mosby Feb 2019 #79
Israel is the result of European anti-Semitism BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #81
not even close to the truth Mosby Feb 2019 #84
Lol, ok BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #87
not a fan of history? Mosby Feb 2019 #91
Arab conquest of the Levant Mosby Feb 2019 #92
The Jewish people are not indigenous to what is now Israel. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #85
science proves you wrong Mosby Feb 2019 #88
You don't know me or anything about me. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #94
the fact that the likud and a few others engaged in terrorism... Mosby Feb 2019 #97
Here is a few things you don't know about me. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #99
What is so hard to understand? RelativelyJones Feb 2019 #83
I look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as the longest running civil war in history. Xolodno Feb 2019 #86
From J Street Gothmog Feb 2019 #101
Agreed. This carp we are today is I sanity lancelyons Feb 2019 #102
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