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muriel_volestrangler

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38. And yet, you recommend the essay that reduces the "victims" in that way

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:34 PM

Feb 2019

(those soldiers that survived might not have seen themselves as "victims", or course). Jackson's film used their words, and pictures of what they did in the war; Hedges wants the film to have been about the stupidity of the generals, the censorship, the state and civil liberties, and the arms manufacturers' profits. Hedges puts forward the "failed great man" view of history.

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Peter Jackson's Cartoon War Sanitized images like these are war pornography. That they are no longe [View all] niyad Feb 2019 OP

I'm sorry, but... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #1

in what way (s)? niyad Feb 2019 #2

Restoring film is not a glorification of anything Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #3

did you read the article? niyad Feb 2019 #5

yes... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #12

Did you see the movie? edhopper Feb 2019 #42

I did. cwydro Feb 2019 #74

Me too edhopper Feb 2019 #81

I found it as horrifyingly moving as anything I've seen about the war. cwydro Feb 2019 #85

Yes edhopper Feb 2019 #86

I agree. It's always better to remember. cwydro Feb 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author NCChomskyan Feb 2019 #13

It is "war porn". guillaumeb Feb 2019 #4

the glorification of war in all its many iterations makes me ill. and war porn it definitely is. niyad Feb 2019 #7

But "war porn" is socially acceptable in many circles. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #8

a fact that never ceases to make me ill. niyad Feb 2019 #11

Wow, you must be ill quit a bit. MicaelS Feb 2019 #37

what a truly ugly view of humanity you have expressed. niyad Feb 2019 #93

Reality is often ugly. MicaelS Feb 2019 #94

Should we destroy all WW 1 film so we don't "glorify" anything? brooklynite Feb 2019 #71

On the contrary - Hedges demands that WW1 films do not remember the soldiers muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #22

And this reduction of many of the actual victims to wallpaper status guillaumeb Feb 2019 #25

And yet, you recommend the essay that reduces the "victims" in that way muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #38

It is the stupidity of the generals, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #57

Sorry edhopper Feb 2019 #43

Have you seen the movie? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #51

I was addressing the sanitized images. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #58

I would imagine it shows a couple of hundred dead soldiers muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #59

It is a UK only option. But thank you anyway. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #60

I saw it in the states. cwydro Feb 2019 #75

It is now playing in theaters hre in the States edhopper Feb 2019 #63

The images in the movie aren't sanitized. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #62

Then your opinion is ill informed edhopper Feb 2019 #64

I will try to see the movie. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #70

I thought it was a moving experience edhopper Feb 2019 #72

Then you know nothing about it at first hand. MineralMan Feb 2019 #66

It is anything but war porn edhopper Feb 2019 #69

As a Vietnam vet it disturbs me to have a young person tell wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #6

to which "young person" do you refer? niyad Feb 2019 #9

We all in our way have to deal with things. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #24

please show me where I tried to define the experience for everyone. I certainly know niyad Feb 2019 #92

Not sure if I'm interpreting your comment correctly, Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #52

I have learned since coming home that history wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #65

Absolutely with you there. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #68

I intend to see it. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #77

Having watched the film, the most unsettling experience was watching LanternWaste Feb 2019 #10

Exactly edhopper Feb 2019 #45

restored images are just restored images. its the editorial content surrounding the images msongs Feb 2019 #14

My Grandfather served in WW1. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #18

I'm.... scared, Sir. Ron Obvious Feb 2019 #54

What editorial content? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #53

Bullshit. Itchinjim Feb 2019 #15

+1000 edhopper Feb 2019 #46

Over The Top Blackadder Goes Fourth Final Scene niyad Feb 2019 #16

Russian disinformation agent criticizes Western portrayal of WWI. Meh. FreepFryer Feb 2019 #17

I disagree with this review EarlG Feb 2019 #19

I appreciated the restoration a great deal. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #20

That was how I saw it, too. It was far more about how the soldiers saw it than Hedges's tirade muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #21

+1 Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #35

Thanks for your review, EarlG Hekate Feb 2019 #40

It was a brilliant documentary edhopper Feb 2019 #47

I saw this film. Adrahil Feb 2019 #23

Agreed Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #36

He's trying too hard. I get the feeling this is more about (re)establishing his own "creds"... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2019 #27

I wonder if Chris Hedges ever served in the military. MineralMan Feb 2019 #28

Thanks, MinMan Hekate Feb 2019 #44

By all means do see this film edhopper Feb 2019 #48

Hedges is full of shit . . . . hatrack Feb 2019 #29

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #31

"Hedges is full of shit" Concisely put. MineralMan Feb 2019 #32

He loves to hit all his buzzwords RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #84

Yeah, epic fail -- this is a terrific movie obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #30

I don't get it... What's his problem? Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #33

He sounds like someone upset sarisataka Feb 2019 #34

The Jill Stein-supporting Hedges must have seen a different film than I did. VOX Feb 2019 #39

I saw the movie and Hedges edhopper Feb 2019 #41

I saw a special screning edhopper Feb 2019 #49

Chris Hedges knows people's feelings better than they do, apparently Recursion Feb 2019 #50

Chris Hedges needs to lighten the fuck up. Paladin Feb 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Feb 2019 #56

I like and respect Chris Hedges - but I disagree with his take. harumph Feb 2019 #61

Tolkien wrote LOTR because of the trauma of WWI. I guess Jackson does not "get" Tolkien after all. McCamy Taylor Feb 2019 #67

You haven't seen the movie, have you? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #79

I saw the movie and completely disagree with Hedges bdjhawk Feb 2019 #73

Thank you. I am sick of the glorification of war. gtar100 Feb 2019 #76

"It's a god damn nightmare brought to real life." Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #80

If you saw th movie edhopper Feb 2019 #82

Ok gtar100 Feb 2019 #89

This article is trash. joshcryer Feb 2019 #78

Is this the last gasp of Generation Wavy Gravy? Tarc Feb 2019 #83

I have no problems with shots from moments in the past ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #88

Straining to make his analysis fit. RichardRay Feb 2019 #90

Have you seen this movie? cwydro Feb 2019 #91