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markpkessinger

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21. Not only does he energize younger voters . . .
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 06:14 AM
Feb 2019

. . . he also pulls in very high approval ratings among independent/unaffiliated voters, from which any Democratic candidate must draw significant support in order to win nationally.

And for those who blame Bernie for Hillary's loss, the notion that Bernie caused Hillary to lose is based on the mistaken assumption that the group of Bernie primary voters who either stayed home during the general election or voted for a candidate other than Hillary (estimated at around 13%) would have voted for Hillary but for Bernie. What folks who blame Bernie fail to understand is that this group of 13% consisted for the most part of people who were strongly negatively disposed towards Hillary from the get go. Many of them registered as Democrats solely because of Bernie; otherwise, they would have remained unaffiliated with either party. It may be that if those falks had voted for HIllary, it would have been enough to put her over the top. But the fact of the matter is that whether Bernie ran or not, those folks were never going to vote for Hillary under any circumstances. They were never HIllary's votes to count; and they weren't even Democrats' votes to count but for Bernie.

And to those who say Bernie is "divisive," seems to me there was plenty of divisiveness to go around on all sides in 2016, and there is even now. People accuse Bernie of being divisive while they regularly and routinely trash him on DU, oblivious to the fact that Bernie does still have a base among the membership here, even if it is a minority. Is that not being divisive? Bernie did nothing more than any other primary candidate would have done.

I supported Bernie in the 2016 primary, and Hillary in the general (as did the great majority of Bernie primary voters). I don't y7et know who I sill support in the 2020 primary. My gut tells me that Bernie's moment has likely passed, but I'm willing to keep an open mind. What I am certain of, however, is that trashing ANYONE running as a Democrat is a fool's errand at this stage in the game, and that the very worst thing our party can do is to get caught up in lingering resentments from 2016 in a 2020 campaign season.

Don't Dismiss Bernie Sanders [View all] babylonsister Feb 2019 OP
If Bernie ends up being the Democratic nominee, I'll vote for him. Paladin Feb 2019 #1
Same. Adrahil Feb 2019 #3
same with me NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #15
The only thing that Bernie can do by getting in the race is help Donald Trump. PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #2
Same old story. democratisphere Feb 2019 #5
Disagree...He helps Warren BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #6
The problem with that is that Bernie doesn't know how to let go gracefully. PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #8
It will be a much easier pivot for his supporters than HRC BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #9
Bernie need a Realism Injection Lucid Dreamer Feb 2019 #14
I think he'll face more pressure, even from within his own camp, to bow out early this time around. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #24
Warren has no chance either. djg21 Feb 2019 #10
Warren should go away too now? BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #11
I don't think Warren is "far left" and has policies that are pretty well polled across both parties uponit7771 Feb 2019 #18
Far left!? Medicare for All is favored by something KPN Feb 2019 #30
They'll compete for the same constituency, which will only serve to hurt both of them. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #23
I'm not dismissing him... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #4
He's got a base...name recognition...funding... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #7
I'll "dismiss" him if I want. He's too Divisive. Cha Feb 2019 #12
Nice graphic. Who's going to emerge from that barrel? KPN Feb 2019 #31
The author of this piece might be a bit biased. honest.abe Feb 2019 #13
I don't think he should be dismissed at all NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #16
I do not believe he will win a primary. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #17
Don't tell me how to live my life. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #19
.. Cha Feb 2019 #20
Not only does he energize younger voters . . . markpkessinger Feb 2019 #21
Candidates always argue over their positions and who is best suited to be POTUS. But... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #25
If Sanders doesn't do much, much better among POC and non-millennial women... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #22
Well said. revmclaren Feb 2019 #27
Nobody has addressed that point in the thread I started about this in the primaries forum. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #36
Don't anoint him either. bobGandolf Feb 2019 #26
I'm dismissing Bernie Sanders. SylviaD Feb 2019 #28
Me too! And I'm especially dismissing the divisiveness. R B Garr Feb 2019 #29
The party is changing Bernie42020 Feb 2019 #32
I remember the storyline from the fundraising in 2016 R B Garr Feb 2019 #33
Unless an itemized list of those 250,000 people is released, I'll take that with a grain of salt. George II Feb 2019 #35
I think he would do alright against 45 but what if 45 doesn't run Buckeyeblue Feb 2019 #34
Locking Omaha Steve Feb 2019 #37
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