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Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
134. Depends - Each University needs to review the circumstances
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:27 PM
Mar 2019

In the case of my daughters friend, she did not know the parents had done what they did. I do not think she should pay the price of being expelled because her parents are assholes and engaged in criminal behavior to which she wasn't an accessory to the crime.

Her parents had Singer send info in to Heinel at USC claiming that she had better skills in Volleyball than she actually did. Heinel used that info to put her in a "Student Athlete Recruit" slot. She did not know this had been even sent in for her file. She never had to tryout and never showed up for it because she never applied for it. She applied with excellent grades and excellent scores that were legitimate and not "pre-arranged" or falsified. She is meanwhile a good student.

In other cases listed in the indictments - the kids knew. And worse yet, many were involved in having their test scores falsified or even someone take the test for them. That is a whole other category of wrong.

Uh-oh. MineralMan Mar 2019 #1
Know them very well for almost 18 years..... Pachamama Mar 2019 #2
Things have changed so much. MineralMan Mar 2019 #6
I agree that things have changed. lkinwi Mar 2019 #29
Heck, I'm a couple of years younger than you and took my SAT PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #53
I remember picking my school after a Sunday drive with a friend Iris Mar 2019 #80
Are the parents on the list for cheating for themselves or cheating for the kid? Renew Deal Mar 2019 #3
Good Question..... Pachamama Mar 2019 #5
The sad t hing is, what they did *isn't* what's best for their kid. WillowTree Mar 2019 #15
Right. Dorian Gray Mar 2019 #46
Not to mention, every kid doesn't have to be a high achiever TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #86
The indictment lists people involved in a variety of different schemes jberryhill Mar 2019 #19
Oh man, these kids who didn't know, who have been betrayed by their parents - the full force of Leghorn21 Mar 2019 #4
How do you not know that you didn't do well on a test? jrthin Mar 2019 #21
On an aptitude test it is difficult to know jberryhill Mar 2019 #24
Right. Also, I took the test in two separate years, and I did a lot better the second time. pnwmom Mar 2019 #65
But the test makers do give you your percentile ranking. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #90
And Dunning Kruger takes care of the rest jberryhill Mar 2019 #93
Thanks for the smile. How true. jrthin Mar 2019 #96
Yeah, there is so much of this I don't understand at this point, j, and I may never - Leghorn21 Mar 2019 #25
An answer to one small part of your question leftieNanner Mar 2019 #30
Thank you for answering; I was looking for perspectives. jrthin Mar 2019 #34
The coaches of the sport mercuryblues Mar 2019 #99
While the kid did know they did not play the sport, Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #111
I have 4 kids mercuryblues Mar 2019 #122
My understanding is that - regardless of what you believe - Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #125
Thank you. And you're right about the SATs and such tests. Those aren't jrthin Mar 2019 #33
I read that some of these photos were photoshopped. And in one case pnwmom Mar 2019 #66
Only some of them were involved in the test cheating, and it isn't easy to know pnwmom Mar 2019 #64
Who Said They RobinA Mar 2019 #107
Read the indictments. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #112
I don't get it- dawg day Mar 2019 #7
"In fact, cheating to get into a college you wouldn't otherwise get into is a good sign... 3catwoman3 Mar 2019 #16
And sometimes this is all about the parents' egos leftieNanner Mar 2019 #31
The big secret is we live in a class society. jrthin Mar 2019 #36
Not just "Social position" Duppers Mar 2019 #47
You should be darn proud of your two boys: they achieved their positions jrthin Mar 2019 #116
"by ...earning their education, they have healthy self esteem." Duppers Mar 2019 #121
RE your husband's experience, ugh! The wealthy keep saying the system is rigged; jrthin Mar 2019 #124
Thank you again. Duppers Mar 2019 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2019 #61
My cousin's husband went Wayne state law school in the 70s MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2019 #118
It really is! MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #119
University of American Somoa itsrobert Mar 2019 #128
My sister went to an elite college crazycatlady Mar 2019 #109
Good for you; you know your worth! The "college experience" didn't jrthin Mar 2019 #117
Or, if they wanted to be selfish, pnwmom Mar 2019 #67
When you are that wealthy everything is about status DBoon Mar 2019 #106
This has been going on since there were elite colleges in the US. octoberlib Mar 2019 #8
The Ivy Leagues are the worst, especially at the undergrad level. Duppers Mar 2019 #51
He was a legacy. n/t gldstwmn Mar 2019 #60
Yeah, that's another problem. Why should anybody be accepted octoberlib Mar 2019 #78
Because they are private schools that make their own policies. gldstwmn Mar 2019 #131
Funniest part is that UT wouldn't let Bush into law school MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #76
And how did Trump and 4 of his kids get into UPenn? crazycatlady Mar 2019 #110
So long as the daughter is doing okay at school.. Adrahil Mar 2019 #9
She is a great kid - and sweet and smart and no attitude Pachamama Mar 2019 #10
Hopefully, this all works out for her. Adrahil Mar 2019 #13
You might want to change the word doping to doing in you title! lunatica Mar 2019 #11
OOPS! Thanks! Adrahil Mar 2019 #12
Yeah, that happens to me all the time! lunatica Mar 2019 #26
This is why you should support your local community college. Coventina Mar 2019 #14
And after graduation, you get exciting jobs where you say, Wednesdays Mar 2019 #35
Uh, No Leith Mar 2019 #37
Personal experience, plus what I witnessed among friends and family. Wednesdays Mar 2019 #39
My personal experience was v different.My friends with specific degrees went straight into careers Hekate Mar 2019 #73
Study after study has shown that community colleges vastly benefit Coventina Mar 2019 #105
Educate yourself. You have no idea what you are talking about. n/t Coventina Mar 2019 #38
See reply #39. nt Wednesdays Mar 2019 #40
I turned my community college associates essme Mar 2019 #41
Definitely WAS NOT my experience.... reACTIONary Mar 2019 #43
I graduated from a Comm. College, and I now advise clients whether they should take guilty pleas. Progressive Law Mar 2019 #49
What about transfers? shanti Mar 2019 #57
Really? GaYellowDawg Mar 2019 #62
I know a former community college student that has a bachelors, two masters, and a doctorate Renew Deal Mar 2019 #88
that is the same attitude these parents had. Inkfreak Mar 2019 #92
Just get the associates degree there and then go to law school Polybius Mar 2019 #95
I went to a community college back in CT and wound up a respected literary agent in Hollywood. TeamPooka Mar 2019 #123
I really don't feel sorry for any of them Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #17
Lori Laughlin's supposed to be some holy roller. Her next series, she's in "Full Inda Big House!" TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #18
That's what I always read.. and how does this.. Cha Mar 2019 #69
LOL. That's rich. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #91
I think they want the best for their kids and they can afford it Rustyeye77 Mar 2019 #20
very different... reACTIONary Mar 2019 #44
I still don't get it... Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #22
Because that's millions, not thousands MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #81
I didn't know that USC was rusty fender Mar 2019 #23
It's a private Methodist university, Ilsa Mar 2019 #32
Indeed, there are big differences Duppers Mar 2019 #48
Well that's a little elitist, don't you think? WillowTree Mar 2019 #50
+1 n/t Lefta Dissenter Mar 2019 #85
See my reply to the post you replied to for clarification. NT Ilsa Mar 2019 #104
What I'm saying is that the parents Ilsa Mar 2019 #102
And the more that I think about this whole thing, this makes that USC degree mean just a little less WillowTree Mar 2019 #54
Ok, but rusty fender Mar 2019 #70
No, it isn't worth cheating. Ilsa Mar 2019 #103
Question: how does the kid not know? zaj Mar 2019 #27
For some of them it was fraudulent test scores, not athletics. Nt lostnfound Mar 2019 #45
The student didn't know - she had good (legit) scores and grades - but the parents paid to have Pachamama Mar 2019 #98
Makes you wonder... zaj Mar 2019 #108
I think that we will be hearing more in future of big sweeping changes in how the admissions and Pachamama Mar 2019 #113
I feel for you Pachamama, seeing parents that you know... FM123 Mar 2019 #28
The status of parents depends on where their kids go to school and what they do after cally Mar 2019 #42
I didn't read the scandal. What makes this different than what Harvard, Yale, etc. grads napi21 Mar 2019 #52
This is actual fraud. As in... breaking federal laws. MissB Mar 2019 #55
Jared Kushner anyone? C student at best straight to Harvard. JDC Mar 2019 #56
But legal. School gets the money; school decides to let him in MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #82
Yes, there is a distinction. JDC Mar 2019 #83
Yes. And Jared is the poster child for inequality MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #84
I have sympathy for the students who didn't know. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #58
I don't feel sympathy for any of these people. If your parents have that much money SweetieD Mar 2019 #59
When privilege isn't enough... it's not easy being green ($$$$). allgood33 Mar 2019 #68
I feel bad for the students involved, most of whom apparently didn't know what their parents pnwmom Mar 2019 #63
agreed obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #94
I'm so very sorry, Pachamama. When bad events hit close to home, it really hurts. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #71
This kind of thing was sort of an open secret when I was in my senior year of high school DFW Mar 2019 #72
Yikes, making employees leave the office in tears? Tipperary Mar 2019 #115
Sorry, yes it is. DFW Mar 2019 #133
I know. I felt bad for any kid who was reading this on her phone, finding out MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #74
On the other side of the coin my very close friend's daughter wanted desperately to go to USC MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #75
The parents and daughter knew what they were doing. stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #77
The parents knew....the daughter didn't in this case Pachamama Mar 2019 #97
I'm sure... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #87
We Live in a Status-Conscious Culture-It's Everywhere dlk Mar 2019 #89
Didn't Ivanka just say the other day kskiska Mar 2019 #100
You should feel sick. We should all feel sick. vlyons Mar 2019 #101
+100000 Pachamama Mar 2019 #114
Even so --- vlyons Mar 2019 #120
I don't know any of them personally kennetha Mar 2019 #126
What a disservice to these kids. MontanaMama Mar 2019 #129
Knowing what you know, do you think the kids should be allowed to stay? rainin Mar 2019 #130
Depends - Each University needs to review the circumstances Pachamama Mar 2019 #134
Having just gone through the college AP process with my son, I don't see how the kids onecaliberal Mar 2019 #132
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