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JackRiddler

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118. But that's only if you accept the numbers from highly flawed...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:40 PM
Aug 2012

uncontrolled, non-random, not blind and seriously skewed studies that violate several standards of experimental science.

If you look at the numbers from large population sets, the lowest HIV infection rates are in countries that don't engage in almost any genital cutting.

Clearly, if there is any effect to circumcision (and the Africa studies don't even posit definitively what the mechanics of it may be), it is incredibly minor compared to actually taking effective safe-sex precautions.

How about we avoid the usual juvenilia in this space... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #1
Thank you for posting this rebuttal against those with a blind agenda. qb Aug 2012 #2
But what is their "agenda"? NT Trillo Aug 2012 #3
Justifying more than a hundred million foreskin removals JackRiddler Aug 2012 #4
Most of your points could apply to anyone who takes a one-way position on something. randome Aug 2012 #19
Does the World Health Organization and the UN have a blind agenda? pnwmom Aug 2012 #76
What about the entire medical establishment of Europe? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #85
The "entire" medical establishment except for the members of the WHO. pnwmom Aug 2012 #86
Doesn't matter: You can't cite doctors per se as authorities... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #92
My 89 year old grandfather-in-law needed to get his removed. Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #5
Is this some kind of joke logic? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #6
What the hell is with the hostility? Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #7
Psych 101 lightcameron Aug 2012 #9
Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Aug 2012 #12
Nailed it! HangOnKids Aug 2012 #16
All right then. Thanks. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #20
Is that post the model you wish to set for "not being juvenile"? Bonobo Aug 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author JackRiddler Aug 2012 #39
Removing body parts without consent or medical necessity cannot be justified 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #18
My grandmother had a hysterectomy at a much younger age than that... nt Romulox Aug 2012 #50
Again? When will the "No, really, it's fine..." agenda tire out? lightcameron Aug 2012 #8
Circumcision is rare here Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #10
Indeed. Empirical population studies... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #13
There's a surprise. Alduin Aug 2012 #11
Not quite Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #14
Well in cases such as those, it's fine. Alduin Aug 2012 #22
good info. Whisp Aug 2012 #15
I believe it was/is another ritual sacrifice. Mariana Aug 2012 #25
This was from the same group that thought killing animals cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #27
I really object to the idea that a baby will forget the pain Whisp Aug 2012 #29
A baby's brain laundry_queen Aug 2012 #102
What's done iis done Whisp Aug 2012 #107
They got the *right* answer, who cares how they arrived there? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #17
This. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #21
This is a little early, then next circumcision thread isn't due till September 3rd-- snooper2 Aug 2012 #23
Actually, the "next circumcision thread" JackRiddler Aug 2012 #35
How come no one who is uncut never posts in these threads musiclawyer Aug 2012 #24
Those uncut do not want to be cut unc70 Aug 2012 #30
I am the mother of a son who figured out that the only real reason for cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #26
First there was a pubic hair thread, then one about small penises, and now circumcision. madinmaryland Aug 2012 #28
Oh, the circumcision one is ongoing Confusious Aug 2012 #31
A guy who has a blog and a philosophy degree Confusious Aug 2012 #32
I knew that someone would employ this outright lie. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #33
He has no medical credentials. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #34
It is absolutely ad hominem... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #36
Ad hominem Confusious Aug 2012 #54
No relevance to anything that you say. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #58
You accused me of ad hominem attacks Confusious Aug 2012 #60
Yes, you engaged in ad hominem response. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #62
Repost, seems you didn't read it the first time Confusious Aug 2012 #66
BTW, The American Academy Of Family Physicians Is About To Release A New Statement DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #108
So I guess if you're a philosophy major Confusious Aug 2012 #55
You show no evidence you've read what he wrote... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #57
Citing doctors doesn't mean you are one Confusious Aug 2012 #64
Appeal To Authority DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #109
Wrong. (What is appeal to authority?) JackRiddler Aug 2012 #112
You keep doing that Confusious Aug 2012 #119
Why have I spent any time on you? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #125
I don't know why have you? Confusious Aug 2012 #131
Seems you think every Confusious Aug 2012 #120
How about you acknowledge it's doctors, too? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #124
Well you keep saying it Confusious Aug 2012 #132
Earp mainly treats the findings of medical doctors "with degrees and experience in the field." JackRiddler Aug 2012 #135
I could "treat" Einsteins' math Confusious Aug 2012 #136
Wait, what? Look at those numbers. Bonobo Aug 2012 #37
Sigh. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #40
Sigh... the numbers still don't make sense. Please address the math only for a minute. Bonobo Aug 2012 #41
I wonder what the benefits of circumcision on crickets are... nt Bonobo Aug 2012 #44
These crickets aren't going to die soon if you don't give them some air. nt Bonobo Aug 2012 #48
Unless I having a brain fart, the percent reduction is TPaine7 Aug 2012 #42
Thanks, math was never my strong suit but I was always a decent logical thinker. Bonobo Aug 2012 #43
The Condom Argument Is A Bit Of A Red Herring DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #111
"The condom argument" includes the idea... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #113
I Don't Think Anybody Is Arguing Circumcision Is A Substitute For Using A Condom DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #114
But that's only if you accept the numbers from highly flawed... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #118
I don't know where they got the 60% cpwm17 Aug 2012 #45
All of the things you say could be true. Bonobo Aug 2012 #46
Earp wasn't referring to percentage reduction... My Pet Goat Aug 2012 #52
Why bother? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #59
No they don't. Until you address posts #41, #42, #43, et al, you have bombed DU with misinformation. Bonobo Aug 2012 #47
Your one post that brought up any point was addressed JackRiddler Aug 2012 #49
You did not explain the grievous math error. Bonobo Aug 2012 #51
I explained you grievous error of understanding... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #61
Circumcisions should only be performed at an Olive Garden by nursing mothers who own a pit bull. 11 Bravo Aug 2012 #53
blah, blah, blah ldf Aug 2012 #56
Oh good lord...there should be a dungeon for circumcision threads, just apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #63
I'm so sorry you were forced into this thread at gunpoint. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #65
We shouldn't have to see this nonsense non-issue in the main forums, apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #67
You seem to have a strong opinion on it. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #71
My "strong opinion" is that it is none of JackRiddler's business if people apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #73
That's not directly the topic of this thread, is it now? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #79
Yes, it is, Jack; and, further, all the rest of your rattle & hum apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #82
All of which has nothing to do with what JackRiddler Aug 2012 #91
Try reading it again, Jack: you'll get there eventually: apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #134
BTW, haven't seen much of you in "Creative Speculation" since the TOS apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #68
I have no interest in that forum. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #69
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #70
By the way, I haven't seen that much of you... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #72
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #74
BTW, anyone who wants a good laugh at this breezy hand-waving apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #77
I suppose it's flattering that you remember my username... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #81
Uh-huh. Once again, to onlookers: check out that link for yourselves. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #83
"Conspiracy theories" are more your thing. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #84
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #133
Personal body integrity and choice are not acceptable issues to discuss here? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #75
4th Law, you and I don't agree on a damn thing, ever Scootaloo Aug 2012 #105
I'm going with the Elder Gods thing 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #115
Speaking From Personal Experience.... The River Aug 2012 #78
So, you made a decision. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #80
Parents make decisions for kids all the time. Bonobo Aug 2012 #87
Most doctors in the world do not recommend male genital mutilation. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #89
I only have anecdotal info. Bonobo Aug 2012 #97
Just imagine how much better it would be to just cut the whole organ. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #100
And Having Experienced Both Sides The River Aug 2012 #88
Missing the point: YOU made the decision. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #90
I question this person's intellectual honesty joeglow3 Aug 2012 #93
I question whether you even read the OP or the blog post... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #94
Is that your way of saying you will not address the CLEAR attempt at deception? joeglow3 Aug 2012 #95
Earp addresses this quite well, and not at all deceptively... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #98
As I point out below, he claims condom use CURES AIDS. joeglow3 Aug 2012 #116
This guy also sucks at math joeglow3 Aug 2012 #96
I wonder if you are a contributor at this place. Bonobo Aug 2012 #99
Nope. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #101
The bottom line is this... Scootaloo Aug 2012 #103
I asked my 1 year old great nephew about this blueamy66 Aug 2012 #104
A testimony to how privileged living leads people to search for causes of outrage Bonobo Aug 2012 #106
Bonobo, you're making a bad argument. Scootaloo Aug 2012 #117
I'll tell you what I remember - lynne Aug 2012 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author blueamy66 Aug 2012 #128
My son is 21 now and, when he was born, liberalhistorian Aug 2012 #110
People whose parents had it done to them Mariana Aug 2012 #121
Ultimately that is what we see on these threads... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #127
My son is 20 and not circumcised - lynne Aug 2012 #122
Bravo & thanks for the story! JackRiddler Aug 2012 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author blueamy66 Aug 2012 #129
Glad to hear your son, like mine, liberalhistorian Aug 2012 #130
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