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appal_jack

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15. Whether new or old materials are used, better stewardship is needed
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:10 AM
Apr 2019

I first heard the story of the Oxford Oaks from the ecological designer William McDonough, I believe, back in the late 1990's at one of the Bioneers Conferences. Charlotte Hajer writes it here:
http://blog.longnow.org/02014/12/31/humans-and-trees-in-long-term-partnership/

Here at Long Now, we often like to tell the story – or perhaps better said, legend – of the oak beams at New College in Oxford. First told to Stewart Brand by anthropologist Gregory Bateson, this short and simple story epitomizes the tremendous value we can reap from some long-term thinking.

Despite what the name may suggest, New College is one of Oxford’s oldest. Founded in 01379, at its heart lies a dining hall that features expansive oak beams across its ceiling. About a century ago, an entomologist discovered that the beams were infested with beetles and would need replacing. The College agonized over where they might find oaks of sufficient size and quality to make new beams. Then, as Stewart Brand recounts,

One of the Junior Fellows stuck his neck out and suggested that there might be some worthy oaks on the College lands. These colleges are endowed with pieces of land scattered across the country which are run by a college Forester. They called in the College Forester, who of course had not been near the college itself for some years, and asked him if there were any oaks for possible use.

He pulled his forelock and said, “Well sirs, we was wonderin’ when you’d be askin’.”

Upon further inquiry it was discovered that when the College was founded, a grove of oaks had been planted to replace the beams in the dining hall when they became beetly, because oak beams always become beetly in the end. This plan had been passed down from one Forester to the next for over five hundred years saying “You don’t cut them oaks. Them’s for the College Hall.”


The link goes into greater detail, separating likely myth from recorded history. It's worth a read in this day and age.

k&r,

-app
Modern materials must be used to reconstruct the Notre Dame Cathedral in the Gothic Style. democratisphere Apr 2019 #1
Hopefully it will be rebuilt Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #3
And with sprinklers n/t malaise Apr 2019 #17
plus 1000 Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #53
Recycled materials. What a statement to the world. defacto7 Apr 2019 #24
Or hemp! nt artislife Apr 2019 #54
This is true, but they'll find something else... TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #2
I once visited an abandoned mansion. It was over 100 years old. There applegrove Apr 2019 #58
It will be better Captain_New_York Apr 2019 #4
I am outraged by your practicality and good sense. OnDoutside Apr 2019 #6
Considering most of these old cathedral roofs are covered in lead defacto7 Apr 2019 #25
Any kind of roof covering will be better than what they had jmowreader Apr 2019 #30
They will find a way to make it look as good as new, and safer. Blue_true Apr 2019 #44
There are, probably, in Białowieża Forest in Poland Spider Jerusalem Apr 2019 #5
Nothing can be "replaced" zipplewrath Apr 2019 #7
Probably not, but architecture has progressed somewhat since the 12th century, too. DFW Apr 2019 #8
There's a lot of expertise in France and Germany to do restorations FakeNoose Apr 2019 #21
Dresden is probably the most shining example of what is possible DFW Apr 2019 #23
That's truly incredible True Dough Apr 2019 #26
Or Nantes jberryhill Apr 2019 #31
Interesting thought, but in the Middle Ages the only non-fruiting trees Hortensis Apr 2019 #9
Trump has got this exboyfil Apr 2019 #10
Trump would want his ugly ass name on it JI7 Apr 2019 #12
Sequoias Mendocino Apr 2019 #47
The timber roof structure wasn't visible to the public anyway Amishman Apr 2019 #11
It would be a horrible idea to use original materials. Take the Frauenkirche as an example. DetlefK Apr 2019 #13
Agree. Use modern materials. Maybe add a faux-oak finish. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #34
The people of Dresden saved as many of the original stones as they could FakeNoose Apr 2019 #36
The spire is not even original to the building DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #14
Whether new or old materials are used, better stewardship is needed appal_jack Apr 2019 #15
I loved this story when I first heard it. Still love it. We could learn a lot. Yesterday... Hekate Apr 2019 #37
Versailles Oaks MAD Dave Apr 2019 #16
Yep, they planned for this. Thread here: greyl Apr 2019 #28
Absolutely beautiful Hekate Apr 2019 #38
How large are the groves at Versailles? Brother Buzz Apr 2019 #42
Modern engineering can likely use one tree to do what 100 did 8 Blue_true Apr 2019 #52
If they go with engineered timbers they don't need to lop down a mess of four-hundred year old trees Brother Buzz Apr 2019 #56
I agree. Plenty of engineering options exist. Blue_true Apr 2019 #57
The support timbers were hidden from sight above the arched ceilings Brother Buzz Apr 2019 #59
Probaby true but they can use engineered wooden beams to replace large single beams. honest.abe Apr 2019 #18
If we remained a shell of the people and country we once were, we'd donate them. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #19
Ya! +1 Hotler Apr 2019 #20
I was inspecting an old warehouse built before the state was cleared out by lumber barons yaesu Apr 2019 #22
Perhaps they need to rebuild with something that won't burn so easily. tinrobot Apr 2019 #27
They planned for this. greyl Apr 2019 #29
photo of oak grove blaze Apr 2019 #40
At this point I wouldn't use those oaks jmowreader Apr 2019 #60
there are no masons with that skill rampartc Apr 2019 #32
"have we built anything that will stand for 1,000 years?" jberryhill Apr 2019 #33
There is no way they could use oak trees to rebuild the roof titaniumsalute Apr 2019 #35
I missed the part that said it had to be rebuilt to exact former specs Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #39
Big old trees should be protected as big old trees. Let them live. hunter Apr 2019 #41
I would most definitely choose wooden laminate beams over the trees at Versailles pecosbob Apr 2019 #43
The timbering was solely structural and was totally hidden behind the masonry ceilings Brother Buzz Apr 2019 #48
If totally hidden I would tend to agree... pecosbob Apr 2019 #49
Transparent aluminum? rictofen Apr 2019 #45
Engineering of construction materials has come a long way in the last 800 years. aikoaiko Apr 2019 #46
Old growth trees Mendocino Apr 2019 #50
They should consult Disney. They are experts at making classic structures with modern technology. Kablooie Apr 2019 #51
I say French owned Airbus manufacturing should make carbon fiber roof beams and cross supports.... machoneman Apr 2019 #55
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