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In reply to the discussion: There are no trees large enough in all of France to rebuild Notre Dame. [View all]appal_jack
(3,813 posts)15. Whether new or old materials are used, better stewardship is needed
I first heard the story of the Oxford Oaks from the ecological designer William McDonough, I believe, back in the late 1990's at one of the Bioneers Conferences. Charlotte Hajer writes it here:
http://blog.longnow.org/02014/12/31/humans-and-trees-in-long-term-partnership/
Here at Long Now, we often like to tell the story or perhaps better said, legend of the oak beams at New College in Oxford. First told to Stewart Brand by anthropologist Gregory Bateson, this short and simple story epitomizes the tremendous value we can reap from some long-term thinking.
Despite what the name may suggest, New College is one of Oxfords oldest. Founded in 01379, at its heart lies a dining hall that features expansive oak beams across its ceiling. About a century ago, an entomologist discovered that the beams were infested with beetles and would need replacing. The College agonized over where they might find oaks of sufficient size and quality to make new beams. Then, as Stewart Brand recounts,
One of the Junior Fellows stuck his neck out and suggested that there might be some worthy oaks on the College lands. These colleges are endowed with pieces of land scattered across the country which are run by a college Forester. They called in the College Forester, who of course had not been near the college itself for some years, and asked him if there were any oaks for possible use.
He pulled his forelock and said, Well sirs, we was wonderin when youd be askin.
Upon further inquiry it was discovered that when the College was founded, a grove of oaks had been planted to replace the beams in the dining hall when they became beetly, because oak beams always become beetly in the end. This plan had been passed down from one Forester to the next for over five hundred years saying You dont cut them oaks. Thems for the College Hall.
The link goes into greater detail, separating likely myth from recorded history. It's worth a read in this day and age.
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There are no trees large enough in all of France to rebuild Notre Dame. [View all]
Cattledog
Apr 2019
OP
Modern materials must be used to reconstruct the Notre Dame Cathedral in the Gothic Style.
democratisphere
Apr 2019
#1
It would be a horrible idea to use original materials. Take the Frauenkirche as an example.
DetlefK
Apr 2019
#13
I loved this story when I first heard it. Still love it. We could learn a lot. Yesterday...
Hekate
Apr 2019
#37
If they go with engineered timbers they don't need to lop down a mess of four-hundred year old trees
Brother Buzz
Apr 2019
#56
Probaby true but they can use engineered wooden beams to replace large single beams.
honest.abe
Apr 2019
#18
If we remained a shell of the people and country we once were, we'd donate them.
hlthe2b
Apr 2019
#19
I was inspecting an old warehouse built before the state was cleared out by lumber barons
yaesu
Apr 2019
#22
I would most definitely choose wooden laminate beams over the trees at Versailles
pecosbob
Apr 2019
#43
The timbering was solely structural and was totally hidden behind the masonry ceilings
Brother Buzz
Apr 2019
#48
Engineering of construction materials has come a long way in the last 800 years.
aikoaiko
Apr 2019
#46