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doompatrol39

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33. Yes, we need more sternly worded letters and press releases...

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:09 PM

Apr 2019

...maybe some snarky tweets pointing out the GOP's hypocrisy will compel them to follow the rule of law where the first couple of thousand failed.

Investigations only work if Republicans follow the law and actually comply rather than just waiting for everything to get tied up in courts.

Or maybe we can just officially adopt "It won't pass anyway so why bother?" as the official Democratic party slogan.

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What good would impeachment proceedings accomplish if there is no conviction? [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2019 OP

What good would meek acquiescence accomplish? JHB Apr 2019 #1

The investigations should continue. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #3

Amen DonaldsRump Apr 2019 #86

Mix of negatives and positives at140 Apr 2019 #2

True. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #5

He's going to use it anyway durablend Apr 2019 #10

Challenge the repugs to... lame54 Apr 2019 #4

And when they do, when, not if, I feel that a majority of GOP voters guillaumeb Apr 2019 #9

Mitch won't bring it up for a vote Andy823 Apr 2019 #67

Then the Democrats did what they could TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #71

I don't think he's allowed to do that in matters of impeachment. John Fante Apr 2019 #80

He is up for reelection too lame54 Apr 2019 #81

If Trump meets impeachment criteria, it's Congress' duty to impeach him. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #6

It is, and if the GOP were a legitimate Party at this point, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #13

Whether or not the Senate convicts Trump, the House must impeach him if the evidence warrants it. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #24

I understand that position. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #29

The outcome is beyond Congress' control. It just needs to do its own job. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #37

Only Criteria: High crimes and misdemeanors! at140 Apr 2019 #70

What harm would it do, pray tell... MineralMan Apr 2019 #7

If the Senate refused to convict, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #14

But, there would be even more evidence. MineralMan Apr 2019 #22

I do remember them. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #26

That might serve us well in the 2020 Senate elections. MineralMan Apr 2019 #30

Yes, it well might. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #35

Would it motivate which people? MineralMan Apr 2019 #43

Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #49

Finally, the Constitution provides that option to Congress. MineralMan Apr 2019 #56

Rein in the Imperial Presidency? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #61

Then give them something else to think about. MineralMan Apr 2019 #66

I understand that position. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #68

You mean the Senate Watergate committee hearings? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #133

And only a tiny fraction of idiots will believe him. Nt ecstatic Apr 2019 #85

I would not expect the Senate to remove Trump. MineralMan Apr 2019 #95

And the GOP knows that most people will not read the Report. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #108

He's going to do this anyway, nothing stopping him from bold faced lying about exoneration. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #100

Impeachment will motivate Trump supporters to vote Cicada Apr 2019 #89

Do you suppose they are not already motivated? MineralMan Apr 2019 #94

No, I think they are primed to stay home because Trump is a creep Cicada Apr 2019 #96

LOL durablend Apr 2019 #122

Pollsters measure likelihood of voting. I bet we have an edge right now. Cicada Apr 2019 #123

Couldn't we just let him serve out this term, vote him out, appoint a new Attorney General, and then Goodheart Apr 2019 #8

In theory, yes. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16

Voting him out ego_nation Apr 2019 #57

It puts an asterisk next to his name in the history books Freelancer Apr 2019 #60

No guarantee he will lose in 2020. Russia will make sure he wins. Joe941 Apr 2019 #79

Agree 100%. Irishxs Apr 2019 #124

Only if you trust Red Don wont accept help from the Russians in 2020 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #102

Did it hurt the Repukes for impeaching over a lie relating to a BJ rufus dog Apr 2019 #11

A case can be made that the GOP stole the elections in 1968, 1980, and 2000. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #18

& 2004 scarytomcat Apr 2019 #120

The Constitution does not say: Impeach only if you can get a conviction. delisen Apr 2019 #19

No, Repukes won the house, senate and presidency the next years afterwards uponit7771 Apr 2019 #103

Most people would not watch cable news, cspan or the like to watch hearings... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #12

Investigations could also serve the same function. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #17

Yes delisen Apr 2019 #21

Yes. boomer_wv Apr 2019 #91

I's an honor thing. It is beyond and above pragmatism. delisen Apr 2019 #15

Agreed, but in the GOP, there is no honor. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #20

If we don't stand for something, we'll go for anything. nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #25

It is our statement of who we are as people-dedicated to delisen Apr 2019 #27

Investigations can serve the same function. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #31

It will show that Dems stand for the rule of law and will carry out their constitutional duty. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #23

Do you feel that the GOP controlled Senate would vote to convict? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #28

No, not without a good presentation of the evidence. Your point? SunSeeker Apr 2019 #32

My view is that the GOP would never vote to convict. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #36

So? Why not get them.on record? Why let them dictate whether we follow the Constitution? SunSeeker Apr 2019 #42

Good points. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #44

Yes, we need more sternly worded letters and press releases... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #33

The House can compel appearances. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #38

"compel" doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #92

With subpoenas. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #97

That they will ignore/tie up in the courts. doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #125

It would probably get him reelected Raine Apr 2019 #34

Or it could energize the Democratic base. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #40

Exactly. And doing nothing could DEPRESS Dem turnout. nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #46

I have no argument with your points. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #52

That didn't work the first time without Russia's help uponit7771 Apr 2019 #104

how many more times are we going to chase our tails with this same discussion EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #39

Until the House does something? eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #41

Ask Bill Clinton what it feels like to have the albatross of "he was impeached" stopbush Apr 2019 #45

I posted my response before I saw yours. I echoed your point. jrthin Apr 2019 #50

Amen to that. Plus, Trump's ego is so inflated that it wouldn't surprise me if he resigned, mtnsnake Apr 2019 #76

+1, dems also lost the house the senate and the next presidential election. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #105

It's noted in history. The same way than when Clinton's name is mentioned, jrthin Apr 2019 #47

I have been aganist... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #48

I agree, but I am still raising issues to consider. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #53

I think open hearings detailing Trumpist crimes would be a good thing for the Democratic vote. FreepFryer Apr 2019 #51

I think hearings and investigations are necessary. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #54

Impeachment proceedings would accomplish those, even if the Senate were not to convict. (n/t) FreepFryer Apr 2019 #55

True, but I feel that the GOP and Trump would calim that Trump had been guillaumeb Apr 2019 #58

You're right, let's just ignore the whole thing. Wouldn't want to upset Trump, would we? FreepFryer Apr 2019 #63

Open hearings is a no brainer; this will be better then Sam Ervin's Senate Watergate Committee! DonaldsRump Apr 2019 #59

And it could energize the base, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #64

Putin's Puppet is a national security risk suegeo Apr 2019 #62

He is a crook. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #65

+1, too many people trust Red Don wont accept help from Trump in 2020 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #106

Alot. honest.abe Apr 2019 #69

Investigations could lead to impeachment. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #98

Moral and ethical duty. Doing the right thing regardless of outcome is still the right thing to do. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #72

outcomes matter to ethics jcgoldie Apr 2019 #74

I'm going to disagree, but I don't have the time to get into it. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #75

Impeachment is a duty, not an optional choice. procon Apr 2019 #73

Maybe keep him occupied tweeting rather than starting a war? captain queeg Apr 2019 #77

I don't really care, do you? Sound familiar? Why should we give any more fucks? Chin music Apr 2019 #78

If he gets re-elected in 2020 what good did doc03 Apr 2019 #82

Trump won't leave, just like Bill C. Irishxs Apr 2019 #83

Yes it would be better for the various House Committees to investigate....I agree. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #84

It shows 2020 voters that we are the party that stands up for what is right. meadowlander Apr 2019 #87

I Want His Legacy Tainted ChoppinBroccoli Apr 2019 #88

Keep 'em on their toes. Liberal In Texas Apr 2019 #90

Not starting impeachment procedures in the face of this presidential behavior emboldens the Right Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #93

The right was emboldened when Reagan escaped justice. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #99

What did the emaIl and Benghazi investigations edhopper Apr 2019 #101

THIS !!!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #107

Which is why I feel that continuing investigations are a good way to proceed. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #109

yes edhopper Apr 2019 #112

Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #113

No reason they can't impeach edhopper Apr 2019 #116

It's true, it would give Turbineguy Apr 2019 #110

A series of investigations by various House Committees could further guillaumeb Apr 2019 #111

It will be on record that the House fulfilled their duty for when Trump's out of office... Rizen Apr 2019 #114

Understood. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #115

Whether or not the House thought the Senate would convict, impeachment should still go forward. VarryOn Apr 2019 #117

Impeachment will show the world that we are still that beacon of light for right. nt in2herbs Apr 2019 #118

If the Senate doesn't convict, if would mean a not guilty to many, and the rest of the world. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #119

And if we don't do anything durablend Apr 2019 #121

CONVICTION IS NEVER GUARANTEED..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #126

True, the people voted for a Democratic House for a reason. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #128

Laurence Tribe True Blue American Apr 2019 #127

It'll get the truth out! Liberal In Texas Apr 2019 #129

The Watergate investigations led to GOP Senators guillaumeb Apr 2019 #130

The Senate Watergate hearings Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #134

Extends & fortifies committee powers. RichardRay Apr 2019 #131

Which could, and probably would, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #132